Betvoyager's Randomness Control feature.

[chrisbis]

Think being the keyword, it can't ever be proved, I have run bots over playtech AND the same again over BV, results are very very similar,.......

Superman, are U really running Playtech tests against REAL money account,
or the Fun/Demo type of RNG's?

Since we know there is a vast difference, and I think,
its the reason why, ppl have such differing outcomes,
when they change from Demo, to Real money accounts.

Whereas at BV, we have exactly the same results sent to us,
Fun or Real,
whether via their Flash Version or download version,
and hence we know that the test outcome will always be the same at BV,
across the two money purses.

Just wondering my friend!  

[superman]

Playtech tests against REAL money account, or the Fun/Demo type of RNG's

Both ways Chris, over time I wouldn't realy say there was any difference, but hey, I may be wrong but there is NO way of telling, RNG can only be fixed IF it is programed to catch you out by monitoring your betting/play style, Playtech in my opinion do not need to cheat, random does it all for them.

[vladir]

I know how to break it lol.
But it would be impossible with todays computers.

Step 1 - generate database with hashes from all possible strings. The strings are many, but limmited, not infinite. But they are really many, many, many....

Step 2 - Get the hash, and search it in the database you generated.

Simple? Not quite... the combinations are huge in number...  I think its:


36^10 * 36^32

(37 numbers, for 10 spins) * string of possible numbers(0-9)+ letters(a-z) = 10+26=36 ^32 (32 is the size of the random string)

This totals to...

3656158440062976 * 6,3340286662973277706162286946812e+49

And I have no idea how long it would take on todays computers to search for data on this huge ammount of records.


(this number could be reduced a litle, by removing some sequences we know are incredibly rare to occur in roullete, like the repetition of a number 10 times) but that would not be enough to make it a feasible solution...

I'm just confirming what has been said before

[mr.ore]

Searching would not be that much a problem, we have algorithms like binary trees for that, the real problem would be processing power and memory. What could you do even today is to make a program that randomly generate input sequences for the hash in hope that it would found it by chance, just another level of gambling Impossible to win this way, you WON'T found it.

[Optimist]

I wonder whether such DBMS exits. It is quite big amount

DL

[ophis]

i don't think this hash is contained of only numbers.

i am quite sure there are some other values added to it which are changed each time...
which makes it basically impossible to break.

just like passwords.... u never hash "just" a password... you are always adding something to it for security reasons.

hash DB is already on internet and its called google 

search for any common hash.... like hashed word "michael" or hashed "12345"...
u will see u will find answer quite fast.

[mr.ore]

I wonder whether such DBMS exits. It is quite big amount

DL

link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table

[Optimist]

link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table

I am talking about DBMS 
If u decide to write all the hashes to "somewhere".   thats all. unmanageable

DL

[Optimist]

i don't think this hash is contained of only numbers.

U r right - they add long key to the hash

[superman]

Guys, even if you tell them to give you 1 number sequence the permutations are endless as they dont just sha the number they add another to it and it changes everytime so part of it must be looking at epoc, then the sha the whole lot, it will never repeat ever.

[Optimist]

my opinion:

if you see a bait - look for a trap. BV numbers are fair but they can be generated against your system or method. Just be careful ladies and gentlemen. 

DL

[mr.ore]

They can't - if spins were generated this way and someone discovered that, he would have a way to force game results a good way and make a profit. If you are afraid of this, just choose random places as your bet selection. I wonder if it would be worth doing this, or just to rely on random itself, which will sooner or later catch up anything. And they actually want SOME winners. Random solves everything, then why bother? If players thinked that casino's results are rigged, they would leave. Look at playtech casinos having bet reputation for they rng, this itself works against them, even if it was not true! If I were a casino operator, then I would even change game results in such a way that some players would profit - as a kind of promotion. I would add long lines of one color - the beautiful trend for trend players, to make them happy (and more addicted...), it would pay off sooner or later anyway. If only I could have my own casino  .

[Optimist]

They can't - if spins were generated this way and someone discovered that, he would have a way to force game results a good way and make a profit.

they can - but you will never find out. It is impossible.
I absolutely agree with you that there is no reason to cheat. Randomness is doing its job. I have not seen any proof that any RNG is rigged (only rumors).

[mr.ore]

Of course they could optimize they results to most common styles of play If a lot of players played one EC with marty and never switched, then they could add more streaks to all ECs to kill them, thus favoring anti-martingale players (who are taken care of by betting limits), but if it was true, then they could theoretically change their strategy a little and make long term profit. They would have to measure it so that actual house edge is increased, but not to much more than 10%.

by the way If an internet casino has for most of it's games payout so that there is house edge 10%, and there is also roulette, then I wonder if they are not cheating... I have seen most idiotic games like coin flip which pays out 0.9 of bet unit on win, or rock-scissors-paperr where if you bet that you win two wins in a row, negative expected value is even increased... and I'm to believe that such a place offers fair roulette? If they have french, american and that terrible mini-roulette all together? LoL