professional roulette players from the past.

[flukey luke]

playborne's trivia quizz got me thinking about all the successful roulette players from the past.

This thread could be devoted to posting information about some of the legends of the game.

There are many of them including the following....

Norman Leigh.
Joseph Jagger.
Benno Angle.

Maybe by putting stories of these guys all in the one thread, we can then look for similarities which may give us some help with our own battle against the wheel.

[flukey luke]

Here is a nice story about German Benno Angle.

link:://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=link:://:.paroli.de/&ei=dKYATpSgCIWWhQeE5bGzDQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CEQQ7gEwAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dparoli%2Broulette%2Bforum%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1003%26bih%3D567%26prmd%3Divns

If you go down the page a little bit, you will come to the story about Benno. Click on the 'cover story' link.

[Bayes]

Not a player from the past, but do you know anything about Lim Larsen? not sure whether he's a Advantage player or a system player. He used to have web site called roulettebucks.dk apparently.

[flukey luke]

Hello Bayes.

From what I gather about Kim Larsen, he was selling someone elses system.
Basically it was playing the last number and then adding a chip for each different subsequent number that appears. A bit of a scary progression to my mind and also could be hard to get the bets down in time.

It's funny you mention it because I looked into him last month.

There was the story going around that he had a film crew follow him around vegas and he won 10k from a 500 bank. Nobody has seen the film. It is all a bit of a mystery.

When I dug a bit deeper, it appears the guy is a webmaster for various sites in the 'entertainment' industry.

One to leave alone in my opinion.

[Bayes]

Ok thanks John. Yes he seems to be a bit of a mysterious figure, I've read that he is (or was) a professional player and had the nickname 'vegasdude', but I know very little else. I'm not sure whether he was selling his method on the web site some years ago, but anyway it doesn't exist now.

[kelly]

LoL, now I have to set my foot down.    "Benno angle" is a google created name, his name was Benno Winkel.   

Norman Leigh is fiction until anything else is proven.    IF he had made a living of roulette it can`t have been for very long.     

Jaggers is probably correct.     

You can add R.   Jarecki a "kesselfehler spezialist" (Bias wheel specialist) His wife was famous in the chess games.   He won 4. 000. 000 Deutsche Mark in San Remo and was banned. 

[flukey luke]

Norman Leigh is fiction until anything else is proven.    IF he had made a living of roulette it can`t have been for very long.     

Well it's fair to say that Norman Leigh was using a mechanical betting progression and himself and his team could have easily come unstuck if they continued playing elsewhere because they were playing against the house edge.

I am pretty certain the story regarding Norman is true because one of his relatives not so long ago revealed some more information regarding the man. He did end up broke and became an alcoholic. But we can't take away his roulette achievements at his peak.


A lot of successful players have used bias wheels to win at the game.

Where When Who How Much
Monte Carlo  Joseph Jaggers $325,000
Monte Carlo 1 Italian Syndicate $160,000
Reno   Mr. Hibbs/Mr.Walford. $6,500
Las Vegas  Mr. Hibbs/Mr. Walford $15,000
Mar del Plata   Helmut Berlin's boys $420,000
Mar del Plata 1  Unknown syndicate $600,000
Las Vegas  The Jones Boys $32,000
Monte Carlo/Etc.  Richard Jarecki $1,280,000
Bad Wiessee   Pierre Basieux syndicate $153,000
Atlantic City  Billy Walters' team $3,800,000

And just lately Garcia-Pelayo.

[kelly]

And to the newer pros:

Laslo Kowacs
Manny Kühl
S.  Nestle
Nico Tosa
M.  Matuse
Christian Kaisan
Stefan Kaisan
Kastratowich
Maurice

Those are just the ones who are already well known also to the casinos.   The list is somewhat longer but i think they they still have a wish of staying incognito.  The others has already hit the headlines in the papers and in Griffins.  Well actually not true, because they are still active most of them, although i think Manny Kühl is dead.

[iggiv]

some people suspect that Kim Larsen was a hoax. to be more precise, a scam. not a real figure

[Playborne]

great thread !!!!!!!!! 

[Bayes]

Some people suspect that Kim Larsen was a hoax. to be more precise, a scam. not a real figure

You mean like Spike? 

[Playborne]

LOL 

[iggiv]

You mean like Spike? 

i think Spike is (or was) for real. I know some people which saw his real achievements, i have no reason to distrust them