Review of visual ballistic method's for beginners ...

[ego]

 
Review of visual ballistic method's for beginners ...

Note i write this review as there is rare you get what you expect for the money you pay and can never be sure if it is a scam or not.
This review deal with Mastersroulette and Jafco.
The comparison towards what you get for your money.

link:://:.mastersroulette.com/
link:://:.jafcoroulette.com/index.html

First i will cut to the case and just say that Mastersroulette is superior when i make the comparison between them both.
This is due to that Jafco's visual method does not give you a complete way how to estimate the ball - knee point - witch you receive with Mastersroulette.
Second i think Mastersroulette show the basic principals behind 123 pin game with better explanation.
Third i would say that Mastersroulette give a good basic understanding to build from and perhaps later become a visual ballistic player.

Missing parts and cons is they both use playing cards with there described methods.
Also missing a fully explanation how to estimate rotor speeds with out the use of cards.
Then at last i believe there explanation taking andvantage of level wheel is a false positive - bogeys.

Conclusion is if some one is a beginner and would like to learn about visual ballistic and spend small amount of money 200 Euro - i would say Mastersroulette is a shore buy and you get what you can expect for that amount of money.

Last i will just state that none of the above is close to Laurance Scott material witch is superior from all angels.
Any serious gambler would invest money in Laurance Scott material - as does is the best on the market regarding visual ballistic.

[ego]

 
I am not sure i post in the right section.

[Chrisbis]

It will get moved.

worry not. 

[iggiv]

jafco has a dealer signature system, the other guy does not

[ego]

jafco has a dealer signature system, the other guy does not

Well that is not true - it also come with some kind of signature for level wheels - but is bogus.
You have to understand - if some one is beginner - then they first should learn is the numbers and second how to estimate the ball 654 turnarounds to end - that is basics.
I am not saying Jafco is a bad buy - but i am saying you getting more valid information with Mastersroulette.
And there is not need for a dealer signature when you are going to learn visual ballistic.
A signature today would only let you place some early bets among later ones - working as cover bets - more then the signature by it self would earn any winnings.

[iggiv]

using DS is much easier than VB itself. especially it is for playing online live wheels where u don't frequently have time to place bets after start of spinning

[RouletteExplorer]

This is due to that Jafco's visual method does not give you a complete way how to estimate the ball - knee point - witch you receive with Mastersroulette.

I am a great understander of VB and I have also played a lot in my life.....

Can you please post here the WAY of the complete way to estimate the ball knee point?
Because I think there isn t any way....it can be done only with eyes observation and crossover pattern which is BS.

[ego]

This is due to that Jafco's visual method does not give you a complete way how to estimate the ball - knee point - witch you receive with Mastersroulette.

I am a great understander of VB and I have also played a lot in my life.....

Can you please post here the WAY of the complete way to estimate the ball knee point?
Because I think there isn t any way....it can be done only with eyes observation and crossover pattern which is BS.

Can you please post here the WAY of the complete way to estimate the ball knee point?
Because I think there isn t any way....

No i won't ...
But i can show Bayes and he can confirm that he will be 9 to 10 times correct out of 10.

Cheers

[ego]

using DS is much easier than VB itself. especially it is for playing online live wheels where u don't frequently have time to place bets after start of spinning

Well i can see pepole here write about a dealer to create a winning spin - its like winning on on lottery !!! - but there is exeptions.
I will just mention some basic.

1. First the dealer have to spin the ball with the same strenght/fource - spin after spin - even if he or she does - the ball time traveling will be different from start to end - even if the ball make around 18 19 20 turnarounds - witch follow us to point two.

2. The rotor position will change its place at the end of the spin and have variation witch position it will have - even if the dealer continus puch rotor with same fource - as point 1 time will be different with one extra or one less turnaround to end and time will have its own variation even if all spindevelopment was 19 turnarounds.

3. Even if that is the case, you can take andvantage out of a dealers behavior using conter measuring points to narrow down the spindevelopment to become with a bias behavior and norrow down certan numbers hitting - but then again it would depend on point 4.

4. If there is no drop zone and ball behave chaotic hitting all kind of deflectors with even distribution - there would be no chanche at all to narrow down a dealers spin behaveior to achive to find a signature of some kind.

It is a myth to belive that a dealer by him self can hit sectors or favorite certan numbers - the wheel is more complex then that.
Should also mention that the spin of the ball has not 37/38 degree of freedom - but still the spreed is to wide and random.

[RouletteExplorer]

""""Well i can see pepole here write about a dealer to create a winning spin - its like winning on on lottery !!! - but there is exeptions.
I will just mention some basic.

1. First the dealer have to spin the ball with the same strenght/fource - spin after spin - even if he or she does - the ball time traveling will be different from start to end - even if the ball make around 18 19 20 turnarounds - witch follow us to point two.

2. The rotor position will change its place at the end of the spin and have variation witch position it will have - even if the dealer continus puch rotor with same fource - as point 1 time will be different with one extra or one less turnaround to end and time will have its own variation even if all spindevelopment was 19 turnarounds.

3. Even if that is the case, you can take andvantage out of a dealers behavior using conter measuring points to narrow down the spindevelopment to become with a bias behavior and norrow down certan numbers hitting - but then again it would depend on point 4.

4. If there is no drop zone and ball behave chaotic hitting all kind of deflectors with even distribution - there would be no chanche at all to narrow down a dealers spin behaveior to achive to find a signature of some kind.

It is a myth to belive that a dealer by him self can hit sectors or favorite certan numbers - the wheel is more complex then that.
Should also mention that the spin of the ball has not 37/38 degree of freedom - but still the spread is to wide and random.
""""

Exactly
I have posted the exact same thing 100 times and noone seems to understand the simple physics 

[Steve]

I have both laurence's material and jafco's. While laurence explains things in far more depth, it is when you get down to the buts and bots, its much the same material. Although Jafco's is clearer and better for beginners. In either case, the meat of what you learn can be summarized in a few short paragrahs, and you'll find the methods are only suitable for wheels that are very difficult to find. I get along with both jafco and laurence well - both good people. I also have pierre's material which is essentially same thing (although pierre makes some pretty big mistakes). What they teach is ultimately basic advantage play. What I teach, and software I provide, gives far more depth and much greater range of suitable wheels.

As for dealer signature, Ego your description is correct but you missed one crucial point. Basic dealer signature does look at consistent ball and rotor speeds. Say if there are mostly 10 or 11 ball revs. But on a deeper level, you need to look at what happens when there are 8,9,10,11,12,13,14 etc ball revs.

* What are the peaks for each of these variables, and do they overlap?
* At what rotor speeds is predictability optimal?
* What is the dynamic relationship between the variables, other variables and spin outcomes? How do you model it?

As for peaks, of course there will be overlap. And as for rotor speed, you need to determine the relationship between the other variables. What other variables are there? What can be used to determine patterns? How can this data be used to predict future spins?

There is far more to it than just ball revs and rotor speed. Ultimately what makes a wheel beatable is the ball and wheel combination. The dealer is just another variable. Dealer signature is just another type of pattern. In all I know of 9 types of patterns and they all come down to the wheel and ball combination. The software at :.roulettewheelanalysis.com does everything mentioned above and more. It is about to be completely automated in finding the relationships which are near impossible to do without software help.

[ego]

What is fact and fiction using a wheel signature?

There is one method witch i like - but i have just test it on a old huxley wheel at home when i was a rookie - the principal is good and is based upon a old light VB method from the past by Pierre Basieux.
I believe he's way could narrow down the spindevelopment to be similar using a crossover with release and narrow down sectors on the number ring.

I have very hard to see any other solutions.
I know i can distinct slow/sloppy spins from medium and strong spins.
But categorize them like that would not narrow down the spindevelopment to  1 0-1 ...

The down side with Pierre Basieux old light VB method is that it working with wheels making 14 15 16 turnarounds in the past - with today's wheels we speak of 19 to 25 turnarounds.
I do assume there is solutions to that also - as skip the first 5 to 7 turnarounds and then take release and later read crossover and find how the spindevelopment narrow down certain spread of numbers.

Its like finding a triangular effect where the outcome is in the middle of the release and 4th or 5th crossover.
You closer the patterns the better.



The chart show the first line as release and second line as crossover and at last outcome.
Some one would avoid to wide patterns and try to narrow down does tight ones.

This involves physics to narrow down the spindevelompment using visual ballistics elements above release and outcome by it self - with the help of a second read to narrow down the spin.
I believe just using release and outcome is bogus - does not cut it with today's wheels.

A wheel signature is more complex and this is with out elaborating about rotor speeds and drop-zone with make even more complex.

Cheers

[ego]

Dealers spin technique and there rhythmic signature is fiction.
The windows is to wide to take any andvantage out of does ...

I am saying there has to be other elements to measuring then just using release and outcome by it self.
It does just not cut it.

Even if there is a strong bias with release that can by it self hit a 4 std - so does it not effect the yardage/distance.
And as i mention above - with out narrow down certan rotor speeds and a good drop zone - it just become to random to find any kind of wheel signature.
Even if the spins does not have 37 degree of freedom - so are they to wide to use as they come.

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[iggiv]

how about Robin Frost and Co?



link:://:.professionalsinsight.com/rouletteproduct5.asp

[ego]

Well i can not comment about Frost - but a real wheel signature witch i have in my library witch gain a real edge - are far more complex then what i mention above.
It take some serious tracking and time to get a true andvantage using a wheel signature.

Then i also notice that some use light visual ballistic elements and miss does crusal parts - then they just become your average roulette system.
With no edge or andvantage to speak of ...