Sugar ray method

[Wally Gator]

.......here is a version with zero correction and manually change the progression level if needed....

Even then , it still looks nice 

Ray

Ray, great spreadsheet.  I believe the following formula should be modified, though:


=IF(E105="","",IF(D105=0,"NB",IF(E105=0,-2,G105*H105)))


modify to read


=IF(E105="","",IF(D105=0,"NB",IF(E105=0,G105*H105,G105*H105)))


reason: if we are playing the second bet and a 0 hits, we are still losing -2*3, not just -2.


Hope that helps.

[rayhd63]

Hey Wally,

you got me on that one. I tried so many scenarios...... But not this one. Nice to see , someone is taking notice.

Here is the corrected version. Hope not to see that combination Dz,0,Dz,0,Dz,0 

Ray

[Wally Gator]

Did some testing on the combination I was looking for, but it's not worth sharing as there's no benefit.  Appears the best way to play this method is that of buffalowizards 3 step approach.  Good luck.

[TwoCatSam]

Ran over 300 spins from Spielbank.

I don't know what to make of it.

Anyone?

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

If I understand this, you are betting against a dozen repeating for three times in a row.

1 1 2 2 3 3

The first dozen doubled, then the second, then the third.  Could also be:

33 22 33

Is that it?

Sam

[buffalowizard]

Hi Sam thanks for testing

However you may have to do some recalculations. You only look for 1 win in each six block. So if you win on first row then you wait and retrack

BW

[TwoCatSam]

OK,  I see.

I was just putting in the numbers and letting the tracker do the rest. 

Sam

[rouletteKEY]

Don't know if anybody else has looked at this angle...I think sometimes my brain tends to look at things different than everybody else so for anybody that has a lot of numbers tested on this method, this question is to you.

If you waited for a virtual loss (the three repeaters in a row  1,1  2,2  3,3 or 2,2  2,2,  1,1 ,etc) and then started play... I used the next 10 bet sequences (that would be a total of 60 spins for anywhere between 10 and 30 total bets) does that affect your win rate?

I have it tracked against almost 2000 actual spins and do not have any losses after waiting for the virtual loss trigger.

Of course because the loss rate is low I am also nowhere near betting on even 200 spins of the 2000 either (0, 00 wheel)

Just a thought

I bet using multiple simultaneous methods so waiting 150 spins to get a trigger is not a huge deal to me, that may be a big issue for others.

[buffalowizard]

Hi RK

I was tempted to mention waiting for a virtual loss as I have not seen 2 consecutive losses in over 6000 spins, but youre looking at maybe 1 or 2 bets per 100 spins so I believed no one would buy it.
It's an almost guaranteed winner if you hang around that long and like you haves by different methods

BW

[rayhd63]

Hey RK,

this is not bad. I also thought at that idea. But like BW said it takes really long to get to that point.
The only thing that I would do in that case. Bet a higher amount !!!! So it was worth the wait !!!
In that case you would get your Winn goal faster !!

Ray

[rouletteKEY]

Yeah that was my point (waiting is irrelevant to my style of play)...since I play longer sessions anyway...waiting for a long but worthwhile trigger would let you play $100 units or the like and make it worth your while.  To me it doesn't make any difference on the wait and an extra $100 per session is never a bad thing even if I played and won one sequence...and if I played all 10 or 15 successfully...well that would be a little better than gas money wouldn't it?

Of course the downside is if it fails in one of the first live money trials and you're down $2600 out of the box it's gonna take a while to dig outta that hole.

I'm going to run a couple more thousand actual spins and see.  It's obviously still a risk even if it wins 40:1 there's nothing chiseled in stone that I didn't come in on the tail end of a 120 spin winning streak and the gods of equality are about to let 'er lose 4 out of the next 40 spins on my session.

If anybody has any analysis on this I would be interested to hear or see the numbers on this twist though. (waiting for the trigger)

I'll post again once I run more numbers (I only play live 00 wheels so for anybody on RNG or European wheels my numbers won't be accurate for their scenarios)

[rouletteKEY]

Okay...just ran a few thousand b&m 00 wheel spins

Looked at a couple things...maybe look for a repeat after a loss on a progressive bet to recover...so/so results there...never went past an 8 step progression but you know sooner or later it's coming

Looked at only playing after a total loss (string of threee losing bets in a row), and honestly even with my longer sessions didn't get enough losses to achieve any real play and really didn't want to start with $200 initial bets to make it worthwhile.

For now the most profitable and playable for me was to continuosly track and as soon as there were two single bet losses in a row (didn't matter if it was the third bet in a line spilling over to the first bet in the next line) I would start play with the standard (1,3,9 using whatever unit size fits) and I suffered no losses at all for a few thousand spins.

I was covering the 0/00 though... and it did come into play what I would have to consider a statistically significant amount of time in this seemingly short testing.  For the small amount of actual bets placed, the way I tested it, the 0/00 has to be accounted for and I would play the greens big enough to win what I would win on the dozens and also account for a small progression as if I were playing them as a 2 number inside bet.

That's where I am at on this, if anyone else is testing this against a 00 wheel I would be anxious to hear any results.