An apology to Stef, soggett and trebor

[iggiv]

the downdraw is the matter. As i said. with unlimited resources and no limit tables anyone can beat casinos. in any game. Say blackjack. U lose one game with 5 backs, u bet 10 bucks, u lose 10, u bet 20...until u win and start over. At least one time u will win. U don't care about the losing streaks, u have unlimited resources.

but this is NOT DOWN TO EARTH. This is rather up in the space. 

but u guys are free to explore, who am i to convince u

[Ralph]

Some years ago I tested  1 up on lose one down on win om EC with "unlimited" bankroll I used 1 cent as ground bet, had  100000 bankroll. The worse session took a month and probably 100 playing hours to get back to win one unit.  I did a test again and post it a few weeks ago. It is not at end yet, and may never be. It is 5000 units back.

You can come in a situation the bets even out after a billion spins, they even out in the long run by % not by numbers.   40 60 in 100 spins is 20% that can be  550 450 in 1000 spins which is 10% and in 10000 spins it can be  5100 4900 which is even less in % but not by absolute numbers. At a million spins it can be a part of a %, but still bigger difference in number as 10000 spins.

[Robeenhuut]

Some years ago I tested  1 up on lose one down on win om EC with "unlimited" bankroll I used 1 cent as ground bet, had  100000 bankroll. The worse session took a month and probably 100 playing hours to get back to win one unit.  I did a test again and post it a few weeks ago. It is not at end yet, and may never be. It is 5000 units back.

You can come in a situation the bets even out after a billion spins, they even out in the long run by % not by numbers.   40 60 in 100 spins is 20% that can be  550 450 in 1000 spins which is 10% and in 10000 spins it can be  5100 4900 which is even less in % but not by absolute numbers. At a million spins it can be a part of a %, but still bigger difference in number as 10000 spins.

Its a pointless discussion about whats better: flat,negative or progressive progression. I have seen few times positive progression  pass 1M spins but it does not make it a winner. You just identify a condition you bet against and use the best combination of bet selection,BR and MM in your opinion.
It amazes me how much time is wasted on extensive testing and that players expect to duplicate testing results in a real play.

[Ralph]

Its a pointless discussion about what's better: flat,negative or progressive progression. I have seen few times positive progression  pass 1M spins but it does not make it a winner. You just identify a condition you bet against and use the best combination of bet selection,BR and MM in your opinion.
It amazes me how much time is wasted on extensive testing and that players expect to duplicate testing results in a real play.

You will never find a "Winner" in that  meaning it can not lose or even guaranty a long term winning.
You can find a method which works and win for that play you do, you have got the right method for just that play.  Testing long runs will not give any useful information. That's the reason I play low stake while I "Test" as many tests works out well.  I do not want to run  long tests and win a fictive 100000 and later in real play lose.  Anyhow I try and use some which is common sense but still not correct by science. I use repeaters and test my methods by looking at the all over observations, seldom the current play. Numbers use to repeat and if I am in a such streak I win if not I lose.  I believe  it is better to stake lower to the bankroll than have few units.
Sometimes it is fun to explore the wheel, but we should know it is the highest value the fun then we do it.  Some luck is very helpful in all playing.

If it were different, it should not be a game.  Risk free is not game in most part of what we do, Whitout risks seldom gain.  The 100% winning methods has been hunted for a few hundred years. and even wellknown scientist using the words fastest computers has done it, and not got there, still it is a lot trying using pen and paper, Good Luck!

[TwoCatSam]

I am of the opinion Ralph is right in his assessment of luck.  What I try to do is determine if I am in my "lucky cycle" or not.  If so, make a few units and get out.  If not, get out quickly.

I have come to believe--and I have no science to back this up--that the lucky cycle is personal, not global.  I can be unlucky at roulette and go to baccarat.  I will still be unlucky.  It seems to follow.  I've had a hard time accepting this as fact, but the years of losing have convinced me.

The "Hit and See and Run" philosophy is working for me.

Sam

[Ralph]

If we somehow can avoid the worse, we have good chance to be ahead. It is a lot of time we win and lose but still ahead. Usually it is destroyed by one terrible game. It is hard to know how to avoid.
I have seen an early stop gives less and anyhow to avoid large losses a stop we must have.

If I play using 5000 bankroll, and aim for about hundred, I use to get more than 5000 before a bankroll is lost. The small units make not much at the time, but by the time it is adding up.

Sometimes, but not too often it can be more risky play, we do not know if it will work, must be prepared to lose. If we then come in a good streak, it can be very much. We shall not do it if we not can take the loss.

I play 1000 of spins and it can be a plus of about 2 Euro in 1000 spins, and many times it is tens of 1000 before the real bad one. 

I use to do well, as I know I do not know more than many other, I think it is luck which make a different. We play against odds which make the bank a winner. The bank do win, but not an average part from all players, some win some lose.

If think it does matter how we play, we can not know before when, but I can see some methods do better than others. 2/3 to EC I think is much harder to stay plus with than inside bets on fewer numbers. In a bad streak it does not eat on the bank, and in good it pays more.

a 2/3 bet are very hard to recover from if a bad streak is behind, the expected rate can then be you have to get 90% hit for many spins.  Inside numbers cluster soon or later, and a few hits can recover several hundred units. Still I see 2/3 and Ec bets are very popular. In Europe and some other places they know that and the bank has lower HE on ECs.