RNGs and Randomness - Some Thoughts

[Mattias]

Hi,

Does true randomness really exists? - yes of course, most of us would say! Is it possible to generate randomness by a machine? We try to accomplish that in our softwares and apply it at Internet Poker and Roulette, for example.
I'd say that true randomness cannot be predicted - only the probability for a certain outcome, but how true is the randomness from our software's and can it be predicted? Do the RNG's repeat them self? Can they be controlled?

I'd say Yes, the RNG's repeats and can be controlled. The repeating would not be a problem, due to the large sequence, but if you know the seed for the RNG, you would be able to predict all the numbers in the future!

[maestro]

there is not random is just a word created by humans...

[Mattias]

Randomness of the RNG's are predetermined, if you know the seed. Think about events we see around the world all the time, which we attribute to randomness! Wonder who planted that seed, only God knows!

[Skakus]

 
You need more than the seed. You need the whole algorithm. You also need to know when to seed.

[TwoCatSam]

Of course there is random, maestro!  Just because a conductor does not wave his baton randomly doesn't mean it does not exist.

Think outside the pit.............

Samster

Remember when crossing the street it's better to c sharp than b flat.

[Mattias]

That's true!

[Skakus]

My thoughts on rng/randomness are to imagine that every single result comes from a wheel with a new order.

So each time the rng spits out a number the wheel order randomly changes for the next number.

There is no way to know the rng's new wheel order, but there is also no way for the rng to know your new wheel order.

Try it with sectors. If you have a decent method using wheel order sectors try it on rng only use different numbers each time.

The problem is we are not very good at being random, so for example if you bet say an 8 number sector then use the last 8 numbers given by the rng you are playing to make your new sector for the next bet.

I have adapted live wheel systems for rng play doing this type of thing in the past with equal results.


...trackers help.

[maestro]

@sam ..there is not random soon you realise this better you will be...skakus is very right about rng,,

[TwoCatSam]

Denying random is like denying gravity.  Neither random or gravity really care much.

It the opposite of random not deterministic?

If not, what is the opposite of random?

Pre-determined.....

Destined........

Pre-ordianed.......

Fate........

Karma.........

God's will......

I could go on.......

TCS

By the way, those things I listed........they came to me randomly!!

[maestro]

no they are not random sam, as they were result of my previous writing about that the random does not exsist,so all of your writing went to your head and you wrote it even you left your dealer {signature} as TCS............

[Mattias]

Could we say that Sam is under control?

[TwoCatSam]

OK, you win.  There is no random.

I'm going to go play ?NG

[Mattias]

PNG - Predicted Number Generator

[TwoCatSam]

If you had 37 balls in a sack numbered 0-36 and you reached in and pulled one out, would that not be a random selection?

Again, I ask the question, if it is not random, what is it?

(Notice how people seem to not notice the questions they can't answer?)

TCS

[Mattias]

Offcourse it's random! - but I am not sure we will have a uniform probability density function over all numbers in the sack-example.