2 up zero down even chance progression

[jarabo002]

Thanks. 
I think you'll find you can adapt it to suit your playing style, JB002.
You can even slow it down by having to lose twice at each level before moving up a number when writing down losses.  Example we start betting 1-1 and lose, our line is: 1 1.  Let's say we lost again, our line is now 1 1 1 1.  Now if we lose again we can go to 1 1 1 1 2 2 another loss leaves our line 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2, etc...  A win still only crosses off 1 number at a time.  This is much more conservative, but some may like it especially if you thing you have a bet selection that is at the even steven mark.

It's difficult to come up with a new progression when someone has a bet selection method that's a little off the beaten track, but by posting a large variety of methods, different ones can be tested with your system to decide the one or two you like the best.

We all know that there's a risk with any progression.  Heck, I've never lost a series of spins playing some excellent progression that I would have won flat betting.  Let me say that another way.  I have never had a loss to win ratio of say 15 wins to 30 losses that caused me to lose a progression on even chances that I wouldn't have lost flat betting also.  Now I know that someone can come up with an example of a series of hand picked spins where a flat bet would have won and a progression would have lost.  But that's the exception rather than the rule.

I know that some will say that a progression loses more when it loses than flat betting and I'll agree with that statement if you'll admit that a progression wins more when it wins than flat betting.  And there are many times when a progression wins and flat betting loses.  My double dozen example above is a case in point.

Please don't misunderstand my point.  I'm not saying that if you have a bet selection that wins more bets than it losees, you should use a progression so you can win more.  Because of random swings in spin results, you can still have a progression busting run of losses that a flat bet would have weathered.  If you can flat bet and win, that's the ticket.

Thanks GLC.


I'm not very fond of the bet selections, because I see no advantage in it. I choose two dozens and always bet on them.


I tried the following progression for two dozens with some success:


11-22-22-33-33-44-44-(safety brake)-55-55-66-66-(restart)


but the problem is the same as always, the drawdons, and his difficult recovery. Maybe you could figure out some from any progression for recover losses in successive games.

[GLC]

Sorry, Jarabo002.  I am very busy right at this moment and don't have the time to invest in the forum for a while.  I don't think I can improve on this bet progression other than to slow it down by losing twice at each level and having to win 4 times to recover.  6 losses in a row would look like this:
1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 etc...  Don't increase your bet size until you've won 4 times at a level.


As you know, this will slow things down quite a bit.  I'm not opposed to the idea, because the closer we get to a flat bet and still win, the better.

[jarabo002]

Before I misspoke. I bet as you say GLC, but only two ones at the beginning and not four.


1122223333... instead 111122223333...


I have to say that at first I had some success, but are unable to recover drawdons. That its the problem.


It's a problem that I can not fight with the safety brackets, but i feel that I am near of a very good method.

[GLC]

Jarabo002,  Please see my latest post

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10294.msg92454#new

Test the double dozens and see what you think.

GLC

[Tomla021]

any testing i have done with this has been great

[jarabo002]

Jarabo002,  Please see my latest post

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10294.msg92454#new

Test the double dozens and see what you think.

GLC

Thanks GLC. I tell you there.

[GLC]

I know this topic has been dead for a while, but I want to  make a follow-up post to present a modification I've found to be an improvement especially for those of you who like to play slow and easy.

This topic is a combination of Full TrioPlay and The Bread Winner system with a ladder adaptation.

Here's how it works.  We play the way I detailed in the original post.  But, instead of writing down losses in sets of 2's, we write them down in sets of 5's.  This slows things down quite a bit.  When we start, we don't write a 1 down until we have our 1st loss.  Then, any time we have a win, we cross off one of our 1's.  Any time we have a loss, we write another 1 at the right end of our line.  Any time we have five uncrossed off 1's written down, we start writing down 2's after each loss.  Once we get five uncrossed off 2's written down, we start writing down 3's after each loss, etc...  We always bet the amount of the leftmost uncrossed off number.  Any time we get back to even or plus, we abandon the attack and reset back to a first 1 unit bet.

We still use the safety brake which I will restate because I think I made a minor mistake in the original.  We cross off the number we are betting after each win until a loss causes us to write down our first 6.  At this point, when we lose we cross off the number we're betting plus the number to the right of the one we're betting.  Another way to say this is from the 1st 1 to the loss that causes us to write down the 5th 5 we will cross off 1 number after each win.  From the 1st 6 we will cross off 2 numbers after every win.  From the 1st 11, we will cross off 3 numbers after every win.  From the 1st 16 we will cross off four numbers after every win.  From the 1st 21 we will cross off 5 numbers after every win, ect...  I have never gotten this far in the safety brake area, but I suppose it's possible.

If we reach the point where we have no more numbers to cross off, we have to terminate that attack.  If we are still in the hole, we reset but we start our next attack with 2 unit bets instead of 1 unit bets.  We play the same way as when starting with 1 unit bets.  Our safety brake numbers will still be in sets of 5's.  Our first one will be on the 1st time we write down a 7, then the 1st 12, then the 1st 17 etc...

If we again reach the point where we have no more numbers to cross off, we have to terminate that attack and if we're still in the hole, we reset but we start this next attack with a 3 unit bet instead of a 2 unit bet etc...

We continue playing this way until we finally reach a break even point or a new profit.

I must end by agreeing with our friends Flatino, Winkel and last but not least, Ralph who is no longer with us except in spirit.  They pointed out that roulette is a very difficult war to win and especially without plenty of ammunition. 

Don't get caught surrounded by the enemy and run out of bullets.
GLC

[JimmieB]

Hi George,

Many thanks for highlighting this MM once again with the tweak...very interesting

Regards
Jim

[Tomla021]

Hey george
this is very close to the way I play and thanks for pushing it up again!!!! enjoy life

[Dutchy]

Hi GLC, thanks for posting this progression.I have tested it out on some of my worst baccarat shoes and it improved the loss total a fair amount.One shoe only had 20 wins from 51 decisions excluding ties.I used 1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3 etc as my progression.The progression I started with was the "foolproof"by Stetson Bailey.Yours did better on this particular shoe,hey,hey!

[GLC]

I decided to add a bet selection method with this progression idea.

It's a bet on 4 locations.  1 even chance, 2 dozens, and 1 column.

The even chance is based on my favorite e.c. selection method that I've described numerous times before.  It's follow-the-last.  We'll be betting follow-the-last on the Red/Black even chance.  If we get 3 chops in a row, we bet for the chops to continue.  So, if we get RRRBRB that's 3 chops in a row so we bet for the chops to continue.  Meaning our next bet will be for R and we continue to bet for chops until we get 1 loss.  After a loss, we will have 2 of the same color so we just go back to follow-the-last.
The other deviation from follow-the-last is if we get two sets of 2 in a row.  When we get something like this, RBBRR we bet for the doublets to continue.  Once we have a loss, we revert to follow-the-last.


We play the 2 dozens bets similarly.  So, if we have a low (1-18) number, we will bet the 1st and 2nd dozens for the next spin.  If we have a high number, we will bet the 2nd and 3rd dozens for the next spin.  Follow the same rules as outlined for the e.c.'s above as far as chops and doublets are concerned.

For the column, we will only be betting either the middle column or the 3rd column.  The 3rd column is the one that starts with 1 at the top and ends with 36 at the bottom.  The middle column is obvious.  If our e.c. bet is on Red, we will bet the 3rd column and if our e.c. bet is Black, we will bet the 2nd column.

Now, if you find switching bet selection triggers confusing or too complicated, you can just play a straight follow-the-last for both even chance/3rd column and the 2 dozens.

The reason I prefer follow-the-last with my 2 deviations is that I feel I do better on any given sequence than if I just pick a color to bet on, a column to bet on and 2 dozens to bet on, never changing.

Some advocate just picking one of the even chance bets and play that e.c. continuously because eventually it will even out with the other e.c.  But, too often I have picked the wrong e.c. and if I had chosen the other one, I would have won easily.

So, just playing follow-the-last insures that you will have bets on either e.c. if it starts pulling ahead of the other.  Unfortunately, your just trading a static e.c. bet for a chop vs streak bet.  With a pure follow-the-last, if you're having a lot of chops, you will be going in the whole the same as if you chose the wrong e.c.  If the table is streaking on your e.c., you be winning the same as if it were streaking on your chosen e.c.

I know that there are sequences that will cause me to lose more than I win with my suggested bet selection method, but I feel that by tracking more of the patterns, it will be rarer to run into a really bad series.  My own personal "gambler's fallacy" blindness.

We always play the same unit size on each of the 4 bets.  So, if we're play at the 1 unit level, we bet 1 unit on the e.c., 1 unit on each of the 2 dozens and 1 unit on the column.

We use the '2 up zero down' progression with a little tweak.  Since the most we can lose is 4 units and the most we can win is 4 units, we will play 4 up zero down.  Every time we lose 1, 2 or 4 units, we will write down enough 1's to represent that number to start our line.  Any time we have four 1's or  possibly more written down, we will start writing 2's.  I say possible more, because if we have two 1's written down and we have a 4 unit loss, we will have to write four more 1's down which will give us six 1's before we start writing down 2's.  The same principle applies to every level.  As we win, we will cross off the appropriate number of 1's.  Once all the 1's have been crossed off we will start betting 2 units on each of the 4 bets.  Continue in this manner until you reach a new profit or at least a break even point.  Then reset back to 1 unit on each.

GLC