William Hill Sling Shot

[sturrock]

I have been using William Hill Sling Shot for some time now. I think it is a fair wheel, Or have I got it wrong! What does any body else think?
Please tell me what you think and your experiences with it.  Thanks 

[ausguy]

I'm down here in OZ & because we are now a blocked WH a/c country I can't get to the site to see what brand of wheel of sling shot wheel you might be talking about ?

Being a UK company there's a good chance WH would have UK made Cammergh wheels. Cammergh (.com) have a site & on that site they reveal quite a bit about their product (or did last time I checked 6 months ago ?). Have a look there at their wheels in their PRODUCT section, especially their RRS360 model, random rotor speed control with high tech servo electric motors & air jet holes for ball speed control in the ball track.

They should also have a demo video that shows how they can easily land the ball on other parts of the wheel. By deduction, they say they know where the ball should have landed & where it does land, then it's obvious they can put the ball where they want it & therefore the spins AREN'T random like they want you to think. You should be able to ID the wheel(s) WH has if they are from that maker ? Smart Live Casino has some.

Yep, the wheels are rigged & all done legally as the wheels may look like real wheels but in fact they are RNG EGM's (electronic gaming machines). Slots/poker machines are also EGM's. Under gaming rules EGM's are allowed to rig the results. All sling shot/airball wheels "cheat" not just Cammergh.

Not everybody loses on these wheels, some players may even win often ?  but rest assured if the profit program deems it needs some money to keep the moving average on track then it will take it's cut. One day you might be amongst the losers & other days perhaps you win. Losers will be wary & winners will say the wheels are fair. I haven't seen any forum player come on here & say that they win big & often on sling shot/air ball wheels. By often I mean for weeks & weeks & weeks, laughing all the way to their bank/ATM.

In the past this subject has been discussed a lot, should be plenty on it up in SEARCH.

[sturrock]

Thanks Ausguy 

[maestro]

very very true ausguy...i still remember my 26£ on number 14 and ball wanted to land twice on it but never did...even second time went into the slot and with kind of magic was lifted out..paddy power was casino sling boIIocks...

[ausguy]

My last "Foray" on auto wheels (since then sworn off them for life) was at my local casino here in Sydney OZ nearly 4 years ago.

On an Interblock single zero wheel & 33 numbers covered off flat betting $1 per number min. saw 5 losses back to back even though I'd moved the 4 unbet numbers to different layout positions. The 6th spin won but only just as the game pgm had the ball going for 25R & almost went in but bounced a little & dropped next door @ 17B for my only win. The 7th spin also lost so I gave it away. Granted not always did I lose on Interblock, once I won $1,350 but long term & overall the wheel was the winner.

The score on my 7 spin plays = 33 x 6 lost = -$198  & the single win - 32 + 35 = +3 - 198 = - 195 total loss.

I also played, up to a few years ago, on Smart Lives airball wheels. Out of 40 separate days/sessions not once did I win & collect a profit & so I cut my losses & I play there no more. 

[Azim]

My last "Foray" on auto wheels (since then sworn off them for life) was at my local casino here in Sydney OZ nearly 4 years ago.

On an Interblock single zero wheel & 33 numbers covered off flat betting $1 per number min. saw 5 losses back to back even though I'd moved the 4 unbet numbers to different layout positions. The 6th spin won but only just as the game pgm had the ball going for 25R & almost went in but bounced a little & dropped next door @ 17B for my only win. The 7th spin also lost so I gave it away. Granted not always did I lose on Interblock, once I won $1,350 but long term & overall the wheel was the winner.

The score on my 7 spin plays = 33 x 6 lost = -$198  & the single win - 32 + 35 = +3 - 198 = - 195 total loss.

I also played, up to a few years ago, on Smart Lives airball wheels. Out of 40 separate days/sessions not once did I win & collect a profit & so I cut my losses & I play there no more.

The machines are not fixed..

I finally had time to change my program to capture this... 

When I run my bot in auto mode..  I see this at least 2-3 times in an hour..  Doesn't have to be all blacks, it can be either.. 

At the end of the day when I sum up the red/blacks even/odd or high/low..  the numbers don't vary much.

It happens on both on a regular basis be it RNG or Sling shot.

[Azim]

Here is another one.. in a span..  of how long?

[ausguy]

Azim - That's a bold statement saying the machines are not fixed ? How does one prove they are or they aren't ? Do the RNG machines in B & M casinos (as I spoke about in my post you have quoted in your post) operate any differently to RNG games such as Will Hills games ?

The proof is in the profit not screen shots of long strings of black etc. ? Compared to live dealer results where long strings of EC's may only be seen 2 or 3 times in any 24 hours on any one wheel in my experience, RNG @ 2 - 3 times per hour exceeds that by a huge amount.

The question in my mind is then why doesn't the RNG roughly follow the live dealer results of not having bulk long strings of EC repeat results if it was truely random ? If you go to an on line random number generator & put in the number range 1 - 37 (or 38) 1 as zero (2 as dbl zero) you should find a reasonable mix of numbers & rarely, if ever, long strings of EC results, certainly never like WH RNG is producing ?

The "end of the day" analogy is flawed as it's what goes on in a spin by spin basis that matters as sometimes the EC chance numbers in any one hour may vary 60% - 40% or thereabouts (I've seen this same scenario at my local B & M casino with their Vegas Star RNG video game). As the hours flow by the EC pedulums swings back & forth thus reasonable equalibrium is achieved. Most players are "shot down & busted" well before "the end of the day's play". 

For RNG, player BET AVOIDANCE & the casino wins is the name of the game. Is your bot programmed to "follow the wheel" ? If so then you should be "cleaning up" in the profit department ?

So would you tell how many sessions you have played ? How many won ? How many lost ? What's net your profit or loss so far ?

It's also probable that Will Hill casino (as do all other casinos I have seen) have in their T & C's (terms) a ban on bot type play, naturally only if detected ? They apparently have technology that picks up on this & is checked in the course of approving withdraws.

Even if WH & their RNG can't beat you & your bot Azim, they can invoke their final option & that is to ban you from playing roulette. That option would be in their T & C's & a ban does not have to come with a reason from the casino. I tried to check the T & C's but OZ is a blocked WH account country so I couldn't even get to the home page, so I'll leave it to you Azim to look at that.

Will Hill casino got a pasting on VLS or CC here some time ago from upset players having their money withheld for seemingly unfair reasons ?

[ausguy]

Forgot 1 question. Is that wheel in your pics slingshot or RNG animated ?

[Steve]

Slingshot is a cammegh auto wheel. Anyway I didnt read whole thread, but william hill have ban more players and refused more payouts than any casino I've ever known. Basically legal crooks.

[Azim]

Slingshot is a cammegh auto wheel. Anyway I didnt read whole thread, but william hill have ban more players and refused more payouts than any casino I've ever known. Basically legal crooks.

Not trying to cause a debate over this, never have had them refuse me a payout.

As with every other casino, they have asked me for proof of id once submitted they released my payment.

I have made more withdrawals than deposits with them.

Like I said before for them or anyone to refuse payout has to be 2 sides to the story.

[Azim]

Here are the runs for red number's..  People who play outside think this is ragged and fixed..

Because of the volume of spins that's played over a session, this is very very very normal.

[parsnip]

I've seen 11+ reds in a row on WH - I don't think it is rigged though.