Lets have a REAL HOLY GRAIL DISCUSSION!!!

[36kid]

Hey Ken, Ddarko.. Apologies for my absence "I went in search of the Holy Grail!!!!
good to see this discussion is still going and that new contributors have joined..

Love the fact that despite my requests at the beginning, this has still sort of turned into a "DEFINING HG" discussion.. I wont even watse my time responding to those speculations. Opinion is opinion. However i will say "Those who seek, and think outside the box will eventually find"

Ken Re:selfishness. Could you imagine what our world would be like if people who had been searching for answers to questions had found them and not told anybody... Einstien and Theory of relativity, A G Bell and the telephone..
Personally, i believe in giving back. HG aside. i believe if you have something to share you should share it, but only if it causes you and others no harm to do so.. All the money in the world would be worthless if you didnt have anybody to share it, (and the experiences it brings) with.

Just Saying:

As long as human greed exists:  To became winners overnight. No system will be considered a holy grail.


NO CASINO WILL CHEAT TO WIN. HUMAN GREED MAKES HUMAN LOSE TO CASINOS.

Azim. This is one of the most valid points so far on this topic. Im sure it was stated earlier but this is the crux of the matter.. Human Interference.. 
If HG was a reality GREED would almost certainly become prevelant in a consistant winner. If HG were to make you unbeatable then why would you want to stop. Greed will push you to keep pushing for more, an undisciplined person (could, would, may, will) fall victim to thier own greed therefore making HG useless because Human (Mis)Judgement becomes the basis for actions, and when these actions are led by greed and not disciplined, mistakes are made...
However, greed cannot affect those who stay disciplined and This is where the grail lies. In self control and discipline.
Anybody can learn methods.. That is the EASY part!!!! Keeping yourself under control.... Master that and all else becomes irrelevant

 

Its out there guys, trust me. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ken

FACT!!
Love that we can now agree on certain things Ken. 

[ddarko]

@36kid

Sorry if it's got a bit off topic, some of that is down to me 

& hope your search went well 

[Azim]

Azim. This is one of the most valid points so far on this topic. Im sure it was stated earlier but this is the crux of the matter.. Human Interference.. 
If HG was a reality GREED would almost certainly become prevelant in a consistant winner. If HG were to make you unbeatable then why would you want to stop. Greed will push you to keep pushing for more, an undisciplined person (could, would, may, will) fall victim to thier own greed therefore making HG useless because Human (Mis)Judgement becomes the basis for actions, and when these actions are led by greed and not disciplined, mistakes are made...
However, greed cannot affect those who stay disciplined and This is where the grail lies. In self control and discipline.
Anybody can learn methods.. That is the EASY part!!!! Keeping yourself under control.... Master that and all else becomes irrelevant


 

Greed can be nasty.    How much is enough?  How far do you want your bankroll to go?

If you look at it as an investment and be happy with 10% return on your initial bankroll. You will be a winner in the long run.
10% adds up, what we humans (including myself) want is something that will never lose.  That will never happen.

Look at the World cup and it's history..  The Brazilians are supposed to be the best team in the world.  Yet they have not won the cup for a while.  Yet they have the most count of wins compared to any wins by any country.

Does that make them a losing country. NO!!

As long as your winning are more than your losses and you have enough bankroll to support your system, you will be a winner and consistently win.

[ddarko]

what we humans (including myself) want is something that will never lose.  That will never happen.

unfortunately I cannot prove that the above is untrue, but I'm sure it is !!!!!!

[Badger]

I have personally seen 24 reds come up in a row. I have read that the record is 43 reds.
Has anyone heard of long runs with the other EC's ?

regards
Bruce

[nottophammer]

like the idea of a grail,but dont think we'll ever hear of one even if it did exist.

If something tested for a million spins and fails the last spin,is it a grail,suppose, no,as it might bite one in a few spins of play,but then again it might not fail for another 999,999 spins