Sleepers Wake 2

[ignatus]

consider these four groups;

Red High
Red Low
Black High
Black Low

trigger; wait for one group to sleep for minimum of 8 spins, when it hits again bet all numbers in that group except the one hit.

8 numbers bet

Negative progression 8 number = 1.  1.  1.  1.  2.  2.  3.  4.  5.  6.  8.  10.  13.  17.  22 28 36 46 59

how i use to play this- locate the last 3 hit groups, then wait for the last group to hit, if it has slept for 8 spins or more that is a valid trigger.

if the unbet number hits- continue progression with a new trigger

[ignatus]

it failed after 700 spins.... well, playing with stoploss and another progression may be a good idea.

[ddarko]

these 4 groups have NINE numbers in them, not eight......

[rouletteKEY]

You will continue to show nice graphs and assume success using the huge progressions...until you test it into enough spins to see that all huge progressions end the same way

I think almost everyone on the board has mentioned that you may be better served by concentrating on a single method (and most of us have made a recommendation there too) and then just concentrating your efforts on that.

So for one last time (again).  Here's my two cents.

Go back to your Juggler.   Tweak the crap out of the bet selection.

After a few months of serious study and testing all the little tweak combinations on a flat bet basis...then...see if you can really make it hum with some positive and slight negative progressions or even a stepped flat-like bet.

Stepped flat-like bet for me in this context would be something like this...I started with a single unit bet / flat...now I have lost three attacks so I will bet 3 units for three attacks as part of a negative progression...if I lose those three...now I bet 8 units for three attacks.  NOW...if I have lost all 9 attacks I do not go to 14 or 15 units but rather start the progression over but at higher unit values and grind my way back to break even or a profit.  So maybe a 3-8-13 staging.  I know one win doesn't get you even but if your bet selection is decent and you lost that many in a row a win should come before you are broke and then hopefully the win comes in a wave of wins... even if its just one or two more.... and then linked with a positive progression off the first win you get yourself back in the game without exposing your entire session bank.

When I play hot numbers (which I am suggesting) I will normally win at just a little bit above the expected rate of 1/38 (American Wheel) but I am literally almost twice as likely to win on the attack after a win then at any other time.  Pretty sure if that same scenario (or any scenario close to that) was also exhibited in your testing a solid money management strategy could be crafted without a great deal of intense thought. 

Just something to think about...I am confident as in the past... you will now publish 319 new methods before my head once again explodes and blood shoots out of my ears forcing me to chime in once again.

[ignatus]

ok, thanks roulettekey

[nowun]

Just something to think about...I am confident as in the past... you will now publish 319 new methods before my head once again explodes and blood shoots out of my ears forcing me to chime in once again.

Sorry for off topic comment, but that made me chuckle.

[Proofreaders2000]

Ignatus don't mind the naysayers.  I enjoy your systems.

[rouletteKEY]

I enjoy your systems.

Proof...something along Tamino/N D's tag line kinda way?

I don't recall ever seeing you test a 19 step progressions ending anywhere near 59 times the starting bet...maybe I missed something

This is a 9 number target starting at 1 unit per number and ending at 59 units per number which is going from a $9 bet to a $531 bet across 19 steps using simple $1 units...at nickels which is the norm where I play (real B&M) that's over $2500 on the last bet to chase down a loss of gigantor (yeah I am just making up words now) proportions.  Just making sure we are talking about the same system and progression here.

There are people on these boards that haven't seen thousands and thousands of real spins and don't know how this eventually ends.  This all coming from me... who openly uses progressions.  Just sayin'

[Proofreaders2000]

To me systems are like car parts.  If the car doesn't run salvage the good parts.

Eventually you will have enough good parts to make an excellent system.

I'm not a big progression person but I do like Ignatus' triggers on some of these.