the Quads thread gave me an idea, so I'll share my quads idea

[RouletteGhost]

I bet on these quads (all quads not including the 3rd column)

up 1 unit on a loss, reset back to 1 unit on a win

chip on following quads 1,2,4,5-----7,8,10,11------13,14,16,17-----19,20,22,23-------25,26,28,29------31,32,34,35

[RouletteGhost]

i know im posting a lot lately. just throwing ideas out there for maybe people to modify or run with. so we can all make money

[ausguy]

Betting 3 units on column A & 3 Units on column B achieves the same returns, for less work placing bets.

6 corners (quads) = 1 x 6 units outlayed. If win = 8 - 5 = 3 units profit & 50% of outlay net return. The columns = 2 x 3 = 6 units. If win = 6 - 3 = 3 units profit & 50% of outlay net return.

The risk of blanket betting 2/3 of the numbers (apart from zero(s) hitting) is a run of spin ups in column C. I've seen things like this - 3R,15B,12R,33B,30R,36R,0,9R,27R. Then as quickly as the string event happens the spins then decide to even out with outcomes evenly spread over the 3 columns. The question is then - Has your progression/bet plan allowed you to survive 9 losses in a row, or even 5 or 6 if the run is less ?

[RouletteGhost]

thanks for the explanation, im not the best at math so I never even took into account just betting the 2 columns

[ausguy]

The layout doesn't lend itself to an even spread of cnr/quad betting, being only 3 columns wide.

A reasonable compromise would be to bet 2 cnr/quads in each of the 3 dozens. Columns A & C would only have 1/2 cover at 6 numbers each & Column B would have full cover @ 12 numbers.

My cnrs/quads would be 1 - 5, 8 - 12, 13 - 17, 20 - 24, 25 - 29, 32 - 36. So on my previously mentioned 9 straight losses it would now be :

L L W W L W L W L .

[RouletteGhost]

i see

so you would zig zag the quad bets down the board

same number of chips but now you have a distribution through all 3 colums

[ausguy]

Yes "Zig Zag". Even distribution for each dozen= 8 numbers per dozen but uneven distribution on the columns as already mentioned. I feel that the columns are less important then the layout numbers & how they relate to their spread around the wheel.

A quick check of both USA wheel & Euro wheel shows a general even spread of numbers around the wheel with my "Zig Zag" suggestion.

[ausguy]

Some spins I have from on line live dealer @ Party Casino Euro 37 number wheel a month ago show very good outcomes using my "Zig Zag" cnrs/quads.

3R,2B,4B,25R,25R,16R,8B,10B,13B,10B,36R,Z,34R,1R,8B,17B,25R,24B,14R,32R,34R,1R,23R,34R,18R,3R,11B,26B,4B,27R,23R,7R,19R,20B,13B & = 36 spins.
L   W   W  W    W    W   W   L     W    L     W  L   L    W  W   W   W    W    W    W    L     W  W    L     L     L   W    W   W   L    W    L     L    W    W

12 losses (incl. 1 zero) & 24 wins. Win to loss ratio 2 : 1. Longest loss run was 3. Longest winning run 7 & also a 6.

Encouraging results & well worth testing with much longer runs of spin results/sessions.

[RouletteGhost]

yes, i just tried it on sun palace casino live dealer. good results

lot of hits

i had a small bankroll using $1 units

if i had a larger bankroll i could have used a negative progression on losses and been successful

what progression would you use? i had a loss of 4 in a row, that was the longest

If my math is right, using your example you would have lost a total of 72 units and won a total of 72 units breaking even. Therefore in order to win youd need a negative progression on losses

[ausguy]

A small BR $$ is a game negative. Bigger than necessary is better & then work for a modest %. I'm talking of $1,000 (Euro,GBP) or higher. The MM (money management) thread on here is well worth studying.

I don't know what Sun Palace has for it's cnr/quad limit range? Can you post the amounts ?

Playing at Party Casino (USA is blocked from play), their limit ranges are generally higher than many other casinos & so allow a longer progression.

On their cnrs the limits are 1 - 900 & the total table limit is 2,500 for any spin.

So I haven't studied a progression but let me use that Marty from B4 with a SL (stop loss)"V" virtual bet after any L3 loss. I would probably kick in zero insurance bets (ZIB) at maybe L5 ? For this exercise I won't do the ZIBs. (For ZIBs I add the extra outlay to the other bets for a normal cnr win return, rather than wear the zero loss & the smaller return than standard if a cnr wins).

So starting at 1 & x6 in brackets = the total cnrs outlay. L1. 1 (6) L2. 2 (12) L3. 4 (24) note: "V" bet kicks in here.  L4. 8 (48) L5. 16 (96) L6. 32 (192) L7. 64 (384) L8. 128 (768) L9. 256 (1,536) & Limit as L10 would exceed the 2,500 total outlay limit.

The Minimum BR (bank roll) for this is the bracket totals 1 - 9 = 3,066. Allowing for ZIBS probably 3,200 +. Going to L7 would have the minimum at or below 800. As limited testing has shown L7 may be more than sufficient ?

Using the 24 wins & 12 losses from my earlier post @ 3 units per win should net 3 x 24 = 72 units less 3 units for a "V" win @ L L L W V W = 69 units net profit (this occurred about 75% along the 36 no. bet line). Betting to around line 40 +/- may see around + 80 units & 10 % return on an & 800 BR.

Upping the minimum would be viable if the wins kept you mostly in the lower bet level zones ? Like 80 units could be 800 off a 10 minimum. A good way to play it is to build the profit to eventually be playing your game with the casinos money & with your original BR back safely in wallet or a/c. Increasing your minimum bet is all part of the plays.   

[RouletteGhost]

I see.

Not sure of the max I will check later

I guess a marty is safe for this especially if you wait for virtual losses.

I also thought to have a 0 insurance bet where you would still profit if a quad was hit.

You would stop at 4 unit marty? 1, 2, 4 units now dont exceed 4 units per quad?

[ausguy]

BR (bank roll) is most important. Don't let a TOO small a BR control your progressions. Rather it should be the progressions that dictate your BR. Also factors to be considered are the table limits & the critical mass factor = effort involved + wage & cost of living levels. In short don't play for pennies & peanuts but play to at least earn above average wage levels.

L7 or L8 should be the target, subject to confirmation via plenty of testing.

Don't have a fat BR but should have one ? As I've said many times before ages ago, if you don't have it save it up. Even if it takes 6 months or a year.
If you need a second job to do it then get one. Even part time pizza work should get you $100pw.  $1,000 @ 6 months is only about $39pw & $1k in a year is about $20pw.

Discipline & patience go hand in hand. Roulette won't change & will still be around doing the same thing in 6 months or a year & beyond.

You are less likely to win going to only 3 levels with your betting. A lot of players usually lose a lot of money over time betting the low BR way. Test the plays & see how many levels you can use at your Sun Palace casino. I'd be suprised if you couldn't get to L6 ($32) or L7 ($64) for any corner ? Alternatively you could use some other progression ? So many have been listed here so there's a wide choice.

Also on the Marty stop loss thing, the kick in level is flexible. You could even have it after a L1 loss but it still needs 2 back to back wins to profit.

[nottophammer]

Hi Aus
Like you say distribution around the wheel for your quads is good. Funny how if you did the quads in reverse the distribution has one gap of 4 numbers,24,16,33,1. Also the red snake quads is even better on distribution around the wheel but does not favour col 3.

Have you left this topic, if so is it the amount of L's

[RouletteGhost]

I havent revisited this....ill have a look again

Ive been focusing on onetaste 1 2 3

Thats how it works....lol

[RouletteGhost]

Seems ive always had a secret crush on quads