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Started by TurboGenius, May 21, 03:34 PM 2016

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TurboGenius

Quote from: Steve on May 24, 07:39 PM 2016Unless we have each player set the value of "1 unit", we need to assume 1 unit = $1. It is the same for all players so nobody has an advantage or disadvantage.

Well no, we don't have to assume anything.
The amount bet by a player divided by 37 would be their average unit size per spin - easy calculation.
We know the house edge would be 1 of these units per 37 spins (set in stone) as the house edge.
It wouldn't matter if someone bet 1.00 chips or 100.00 chips because the % will rank them properly - beating the house edge is simply results that are better than -2.70 - and each player's rank would show (ie. -3.12, -2.90, -1.90, 0.14, or even in my photo above to achieve +31.29 etc etc). The amount bet by each player doesn't matter - the amount compared to other player's doesn't matter - we're going against one math variable which is the house edge and not each other.
I'm not sure why the amount a person bets matters in the ranking - or how my play is factored in with everyone else's in order to produce my rank. Maybe it's just me and some mental block I'm having.
I agree that number of spins played is important obviously. (Although the best method might be to bet everything you can for one spin and never bet again - to be "devil's advocate" that person would rank high and rightfully so - but what are we looking for ? Someone who wins long term using a method, or someone who bets it all on one spin and wins, etc.) confusing indeed.
Perhaps it's a riddle that can be solved - too bad "luck" can't be a variable that can be calculated lol.
I understand your points, however I disagree with some as mentioned above.
Like I said though, I'll calculate my own - I know my unit size and know where the "math" says I should be at, and the difference
between the two.
I see this at the table all the time, someone buys in with 100 bucks and plays it all on one spin - spreading some chips around while I use my smaller unit size and method - if they win I don't stop and think "wow, he's doing something that works" just like I don't think that the people in the top rank listing are using anything that works - simply because they bet more money than I did - the math says that I'm ahead of them against the house.
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TurboGenius

For the record -

Current
I bet 648 spins (17.51 cycles)
I bet $25,161.00 so my unit size per spin average is $38.83
So that means each 37 spin cycle the house should be ahead $38.83
For a total of $679.91 - My bankroll should show -$679.91 (according to the expected result)
I won $25,488.00 so my bankroll is +$327.00 (as you have it 1.0129963 winrate)

The comparison of (expected) -$679.91 vs $327.00 as a percentage is my current standing, and that won't matter if player "B" bets $1,000.00 chips and I bet $1.00 chips.

QuoteBut to outrank others they'll need to make larger bets.
is just not logical to me lol. The percentage won't change one bit if I bet low or high amounts, it's a fixed value.
Like I said, maybe it's me just not thinking it out - but damn I'm pretty sure I've thought it out lol
Cheers.
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TurboGenius

Quote from: TurboGenius on May 24, 09:03 PM 2016Well no, we don't have to assume anything.
The amount bet by a player divided by 37 would be their average unit size per spin - easy calculation.

I didn't mean that - What I meant was the amount bet in total divided by number of spins bet on would be their average unit size per spin. Hence the house edge would be "1" of those units per 37 spin cycle.
Was typing too fast.
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Steve

Exactly what is the algorithm you are proposing? ie the exact equation
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Priyanka

Quote from: Steve on May 24, 07:39 PM 2016From that perspective, it is a weakness in the algorithm. But as in real life, big bettors will usually win more if their system is successful. So if you are interested in ranking higher in the leaderboard, then just bet bigger
I personally think that is not a weakness. One can go from 1 to 100 in progression if you are starting with 1 unit.  If someone is starting with 100 then there is no allowance for progression. Obviously if one is not using progression then that is definitely a weakness but am sure some one who doesn't have 100 times allowance planned in the progression can bet higher.
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Priyanka

I do have a simple solution though.  I am an excel coder and it will look like below in excel IF(C1="Turbogenius", RANK=1,(A1XB1))

>:D
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TurboGenius

I don't need to be in first, but I want a fair ranking or else why have one.
Why haven't you played ? Too busy ?
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the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

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Priyanka

Quote from: TurboGenius on May 25, 07:03 AM 2016
I don't need to be in first, but I want a fair ranking or else why have one.
Why haven't you played ? Too busy ?
Agree it was horrible pun. Apologies. Didn't mean to come across like that.

yes.  Have been travelling for some family get togethers.  Thanks for asking.
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TurboGenius

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