Balance vs Bankroll

[TurboGenius]

It would be nice if the ranking chart showed "Balance"
The spot under the table layout should show "Bankroll"

I say this because there is a difference between the two.

If I'm currently at $4,000.00 according to the chart and my winrate is .999
(which means that I'm still in the negative)
Then on the next spin I win and end up with $4,100.00 and my winrate is 1.00 -
That makes no sense.
The chart should show "Balance" and take into account each time the bankroll reset has been applied by a user.
(So in my theoretical case above - instead of showing $4,000.00 it would show -$100.00
My "bankroll" under the table layout could show any amount, $4,000.00 etc or whatever my bankroll is.
Then once I get that win - my winrate would be 1.00 and my "Balance" on the ranking chart would show $0.00
(or even)

I think the ranking chart showing "Bankroll" instead of "Balance" is a big bug issue and doesn't reflect what's
going on.
If I reset 10 times, then my "balance" is -$10,000.00 - if I win $500.00 then the ranking chart will show a negative
winrate as it should but a balance of $500.00 when it should show -$9,500.00
Once the winrate reaches 1.0 (even) then the "Balance" in the ranking chart would show +-$0.00 (even)
That's why some people have 1.01 winrate yet show a balance of $30,000 etc (example)
It wouldn't be too hard to code a separate "Bankroll" and "Balance" - the "Balance" showing on the ranking chart
and the Bankroll used for the player's use as they play.

Just a suggestion, it would remove some confusion as to exactly where in profit someone is.

[Priyanka]

You can always get that by subtracting bets won with bets placed.

[TurboGenius]

You can always get that by subtracting bets won with bets placed.

No, because that doesn't account for bankroll resets.

For example - from the ranking table :
        Username        Bankroll   Spins  Amt Bet    Amt Won   Winrate
5.   FreeRoulette   35500   474     559085     561380      1.0041049

So if I subtract those I get  $561,380.00 (won) - $559,085.00 (bet) = +$2,295.00 (profit)
But that's not the case - it shows +$35,500.00 (quite a difference right ?)
the winrate is 1.004 so just a tiny bit past breaking even - yet 35k bankroll makes no sense.
I know winrate is based on the win/loss ratio more than the amounts won and bet because of the various
betting payouts and locations - so a separate "Balance" in the chart compared to "Bankroll" which only matters to the
player while they're playing would be of use.
There is no way to tell how many bankroll resets a person has done and then compare that to the winrate vs "bankroll"

[Steve]

If someones "balance" was -$100,000 but another player was -$1,000, you may assume the -$1000 player was more successful. But it may simply mean the -$100,000 player made larger bets.

Bankroll is meaningless in this case, as it is in real life on specific days you play. Because one day you may lose it all. And on another day you may win big from lucky bets. To measure a players true success, we only really need amount bet, amount of spins played, and amount won. Or at least those are the most important stats, although I know it doesnt tell the whole story.

tg are you just saying bankroll size gives the illusion of success?

[TurboGenius]

tg are you just saying bankroll size gives the illusion of success?

I'm not sure what I'm saying lol.
I just think the ranking chart having a 'Balance' instead of bankroll would be easier to see what's going on.
It I see someone with a .99 winrate but 100,000.00 bankroll - then that person is still in the hole basically -
now 2 spins later they hit 1.00 and have 100,100.00 bankroll - now they are break even.....
then later say they have 1.01 winrate and 100,200.00 bankroll - now that are in profit - but barely... this isn't reflected
in the bankroll stat really - it would appear that they have 100,200.00 bankroll and in profit.
Perhaps it's just me - the stat seems confusing instead of a separate bankroll/balance amount.

[nottophammer]

I think the ranking chart showing "Bankroll" instead of "Balance" is a big bug issue and doesn't reflect what's
going on.

spot on

[Steve]

Imagine two players at a table. One has a big stack of chips. The other has a little stack of chips. Which player has the better system?

What reflects better on a players true success.... the stack of chips, or their long term stats? Turbo obviously didnt get it either.

Understand now??

[Roulettebeater]

Imagine two players at a table. One has a big stack of chips. The other has a little stack of chips. Which player has the better system??

Ok Steve, I ll take this a question.
If the two players covering same numbers, not that one covering 30 numbers and the other only 5, the winner is the player who achieves higher ritrate in a specified timeframe.

[nottophammer]

bankroll

The author of GUT says he doubled his bankroll and has not had to go back to the original starting bankroll, thats a method, keep winning, not keep getting a reset of 1000

[Steve]

The stats show already total amount bet. Its the combination of stats that control rank.

[nottophammer]

well i'll keep going if i lose the present bankroll then its back to the drawing board, just getting another 1000; whats the point, keep resetting the BR, just fooling ones self.

[Taotie]

Let's say you're playing a progression that requires a 5000 unit bankroll. You must start with the default 1000 units, and are unlucky with your first attempt. The progression gets up high and your next bet is 300 units but your bankroll is down to 150 units.

What do you do? To continue you are obliged to forfeit the remaining 150 units and reset the bankroll for the opportunity to play on.

You keep losing and now with only 200 units remaining your next bet requires 500 units. Again, to continue you are obliged to forfeit the remaining  200 units and reset the bankroll for the opportunity to play on.

I don't see what all the fuss is about regarding resets. As Steve says, it's all in the amount bet/amount won stats, and the win rate.

[Taotie]

A

For example - from the ranking table :
        Username        Bankroll   Spins  Amt Bet    Amt Won   Winrate
5.   FreeRoulette   35500   474     559085     561380      1.0041049

So if I subtract those I get  $561,380.00 (won) - $559,085.00 (bet) = +$2,295.00 (profit)
But that's not the case - it shows +$35,500.00 (quite a difference right ?)
the winrate is 1.004 so just a tiny bit past breaking even - yet 35k bankroll makes no sense.

That simply shows there have been about 32 resets.