Don´t mind the Chance you play, just play the progression

[winkel]

Compare the different bets on dozens:

my selection the doz before last
the last doz
only one doz (1 2 or 3)

[winkel]

Results T8 Wiesbaden 2010 10 24

[GLC]

Winkel, 

Novel idea.

Am testing it a little on dozens.

Shows some interesting results.

Will need to meditate on this for a while.

GLC

[Kattila]

Winkel, what is your opinion about this:

Bet the doz  before last  but with this progression  ?

+1 at win, and  at 3 LLL s  -1

Or same progression but bet the  most hot or middle doz
from the last  8-12  spins  ? and reset to 1unit when in plus.

[winkel]

Hi Kattila,

I donÃ,´t play the doz, I play the progression!
I donÃ,´t progress the units I bet, I progress the length of the progression after every bust!

So I could stop after every plus

br
winkel

[Kattila]

Yes i understand Winkel,   i will make some tests  , and  out of this topic
i just asked  your  expert  opinion about that (from above).

thanks

[winkel]

here is my statistic for the first 6 Days Nov wiesbaden T8

only 5 of these theoretical 84 attacks never found a Plus

Code Select Expand

TvS
Tag Stufe Treffer min max
1 3 87 -127 8
2 3 85 -137 -2
3 3 93 -56 90
4 3 97 -46 69
5 3 96 -100 33
6 3 93 -6 120

1 5 87 -121 23
2 5 85 -181 -2
3 5 93 -59 148
4 5 97 -31 110
5 5 96 -127 28
6 5 93 -8 137

1 8 87 -121 97
2 8 85 -203 2
3 8 93 -166 132
4 8 97 -51 170
5 8 96 -181 29
6 8 93 -10 242

1 13 87 -140 67
2 13 85 -349 -2
3 13 93 -25 195
4 13 97 -169 37
5 13 96 -423 8
6 13 93 -51 360

1 21 87 -145 191
2 21 85 -311 134
3 21 93 -226 257
4 21 97 -171 163
5 21 96 -464 24
6 21 93 -405 123

1 34 87 -232 166
2 34 85 -335 278
3 34 93 -35 659
4 34 97 -34 745
5 34 96 -390 111
6 34 93 -435 111

1 55 87 -1402 2
2 55 85 -644 130
3 55 93 -429 486
4 55 97 -227 569
5 55 96 -1266 28
6 55 93 -11 726


TvP
Tag Stufe Treffer min max
1 3 51 -113 30
2 3 44 -109 54
3 3 50 -21 133
4 3 55 -60 139
5 3 41 -108 15
6 3 49 -12 141

1 5 51 -66 234
2 5 44 -201 45
3 5 50 -141 65
4 5 55 -34 268
5 5 41 -122 44
6 5 49 -12 227

1 8 51 -117 71
2 8 44 -49 186
3 8 50 -85 76
4 8 55 -27 650
5 8 41 -216 67
6 8 49 -62 330

1 13 51 -162 537
2 13 44 -135 337
3 13 50 -271 65
4 13 55 -27 787
5 13 41 -406 53
6 13 49 -91 433

1 21 51 -421 33
2 21 44 -109 393
3 21 50 -204 311
4 21 55 -27 969
5 21 41 -494 156
6 21 49 -392 80

1 34 51 -811 33
2 34 44 -415 436
3 34 50 -151 562
4 34 55 -165 1051
5 34 41 -1007 -2
6 34 49 -215 698

1 55 51 -1177 33
2 55 44 -786 990
3 55 50 -1087 65
4 55 55 -563 340
5 55 41 -310 589
6 55 49 -1606 42


so if you just stp in any Plus you will win longterm

But this is, so I presume, of no interest as well

[Kattila]

Winkel I am interested in this idea, but  help me  to understand

We bet for example the penultimate dozen  with this progression(steps):

A.  1 1 2                      if lost   bet B
B.  1 1 2 3                   if lost or bank not in plus  bet C
C.  1 1 2 3 5                if lost or bank not in plus  bet D
D.  1 1 2 3 5 8             if lost or bank not in plus  bet E
E.  1 1 2 3 5 8 13        if lost or bank not in plus  bet F
F.  1 1 2 3 5 8 13 34    we  bet  until in plus then  reset to A ?



Example(bet always the penultimate):

Doz.

2  d2  penultimate
2  last spin  d2  bet  d2,  bet 1u
3  L1  -1/  bet d2 / 1u
1  L2  -2/  bet d2/  2u
3  L3 -4/  Lost step A/ bet d1/ 1u ,  start step B
1  w  -2/  bet d3/  1u
1  L1 -3/  bet d1/  2u
1  w  +1  Reset to A/ bet d1/  1u
2  L1   0  bet  d1/  1u
3  L2  -1  bet  d2/  2u
3  L3  -3  Lost step A/ bet d3/  1u (start B)
1  L1  -4  bet  d3/  1u
2  L2  -5  bet  d1/  2u
1  w  -1   bet  d2/  3u  
1  L    -4  bet  d1/  1u   End step B(but not in plus, start C)
3  L1  -5  bet  d1/  1u
2  L2  -6  bet  d3/  2u
2  L3  -8  bet  d2/  3u
3  L4  -11 bet d2/  5u
2  w  -1    End step C  but not in plus, so start D, bet d3/  1u
2  L1  -2   bet  d2/  1u
1  L2  -3   bet  d2/  2u
1  L3  -5   bet  d1/  3u
1  w  +1   not new profit , so start E  , bet d1/  1u
1  w  +3   new profit  start A.....

I am not sure if I am doing right ....

[winkel]

Hi Kattila,

as far as I see you did it right.

br
winkel

[GLC]

Here is my statistic for the first 6 Days Nov wiesbaden T8

only 5 of these theoretical 84 attacks never found a Plus

Code Select Expand

TvS
Tag Stufe Treffer min max
1 3 87 -127 8
2 3 85 -137 -2
3 3 93 -56 90
4 3 97 -46 69
5 3 96 -100 33
6 3 93 -6 120

1 5 87 -121 23
2 5 85 -181 -2
3 5 93 -59 148
4 5 97 -31 110
5 5 96 -127 28
6 5 93 -8 137

1 8 87 -121 97
2 8 85 -203 2
3 8 93 -166 132
4 8 97 -51 170
5 8 96 -181 29
6 8 93 -10 242

1 13 87 -140 67
2 13 85 -349 -2
3 13 93 -25 195
4 13 97 -169 37
5 13 96 -423 8
6 13 93 -51 360

1 21 87 -145 191
2 21 85 -311 134
3 21 93 -226 257
4 21 97 -171 163
5 21 96 -464 24
6 21 93 -405 123

1 34 87 -232 166
2 34 85 -335 278
3 34 93 -35 659
4 34 97 -34 745
5 34 96 -390 111
6 34 93 -435 111

1 55 87 -1402 2
2 55 85 -644 130
3 55 93 -429 486
4 55 97 -227 569
5 55 96 -1266 28
6 55 93 -11 726


TvP
Tag Stufe Treffer min max
1 3 51 -113 30
2 3 44 -109 54
3 3 50 -21 133
4 3 55 -60 139
5 3 41 -108 15
6 3 49 -12 141

1 5 51 -66 234
2 5 44 -201 45
3 5 50 -141 65
4 5 55 -34 268
5 5 41 -122 44
6 5 49 -12 227

1 8 51 -117 71
2 8 44 -49 186
3 8 50 -85 76
4 8 55 -27 650
5 8 41 -216 67
6 8 49 -62 330

1 13 51 -162 537
2 13 44 -135 337
3 13 50 -271 65
4 13 55 -27 787
5 13 41 -406 53
6 13 49 -91 433

1 21 51 -421 33
2 21 44 -109 393
3 21 50 -204 311
4 21 55 -27 969
5 21 41 -494 156
6 21 49 -392 80

1 34 51 -811 33
2 34 44 -415 436
3 34 50 -151 562
4 34 55 -165 1051
5 34 41 -1007 -2
6 34 49 -215 698

1 55 51 -1177 33
2 55 44 -786 990
3 55 50 -1087 65
4 55 55 -563 340
5 55 41 -310 589
6 55 49 -1606 42


so if you just stp in any Plus you will win longterm

But this is, so I presume, of no interest as well

Winkel,

This is interesting.

The problem I have is that it appears so complicated that I haven't really gotten my mind wrapped around it.

The way I understand it is that you want to pick any bet other than even chances.  Let's pick double streets.
There is a dbl st system published called goldfinger.  He suggests that you pick a dbl st that has hit a couple of times in the last 6 spins and begin betting on it.  
Bet 1 unit and increase by 1 unit until you hit, then reduce your bet by 5 units and continue until you are ahead by 20+ units.

If I use your idea, I would bet 1-1-2.
If still minus I bet 1-1-2.
If still minus, I would bet 1-1-2-3
Then 1-1-2-3-5
Then 1-1-2-3-5-8
Then 1-1-2-3-5-8-13 etc... until I am plus then start over with 1st 1-1-2.

Does this reflect you basic premise or am I way off?

Actually, just typing the above makes me think it's an intriguing way to play Goldfinger.  I think I'll test it when I can.  Right now I'm up to my eyeballs with FLAT's system.  On second thought, this may be an excellent way to bet Flat's system.

Please don't get frustrated with us.  Everything you publish is worth studying.

Believe me, I'm interested.

George

P.S.  Sorry, didn't notice Katilla's post until I had posted mine.

Just tested a little on dbl str and hits come too rarely for 1-1-2-1-1-2-1-1-2-3-1-1-2-3-5 etc...   Keeps hitting on the 1's and 2's and missing on the 8's, 13's and 21's.

It may eventually work, but I think a less steep progression is called for with lines and streets.

[winkel]

Hi GLC,

pls note:

The idea is to play the progression! Not a particular chance.

imagine you had a bankroll of 100 Euro.
yor casino has a minimum of 5 Euro.
so you can place 20 units.

Now you can calculate:

select a bet-chance that offers a fast repeat
select a progression-length you wanna play.
length 1 1 2 = 4 units : 5 attacks
length 1 1 2 1 1 2 = 8 units = 2 attacks and 1 attack on 1 1 2
length 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 3 = 15 units = 1 attack and 1 attack on 1 1 2


stop in any Plus!
If bankroll ist placed (20 units) go home!
with no Plus you lost your 20 units
or with wins in between you go home and have not lost your whole BR.

If you have 500 euros or your casino is offering a lower minimum you can calculate other attacks.
e.g. bet up to stage 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21
or bet several times up to stage 1 1 2 3 5 8
the idea is to find a winning streak at once or if it appears later on to have bet with low stacks and win with the high stacks.
If you are unlucky and the late winning streak only wins on the bets 1 1 2 than you just accept and go home with a small recovery of your bankroll

br
winkel