Unique Numbers Question

[Firefox]

Well at least you are consistent, PrecogMiles, as in the topic where I asked what number was more likely to come up on the die after 25 throws of 1-5's, you said the chance of a 6 was greater than 1/6. ie You are favouring the restoration of balance, or sleepers over repeaters.

But suppose you had come to the wheel or die cold. Those spins had ocurred in the past, but you had no direct knowledge, as you were not observing.

It's now the same spin/throw. How would your prediction change. Would it be the same or would 4 and 6 still come to mind?

[precogmiles]

Well at least you are consistent, PrecogMiles, as in the topic where I asked what number was more likely to come up on the die after 25 throws of 1-5's, you said the chance of a 6 was greater than 1/6. ie You are favouring the restoration of balance, or sleepers over repeaters.

But suppose you had come to the wheel or die cold. Those spins had ocurred in the past, but you had no direct knowledge, as you were not observing.

It's now the same spin/throw. How would your prediction change. Would it be the same or would 4 and 6 still come to mind?

I think you have slightly misunderstood my position. I am not in favour of either sleepers or repeaters. I believe those ideas are completely and fundamentally wrong, as they are built on a wrong understanding of probability/knowledge.

My statement was that there is no objective (mathematical) probability. Because in my world, if there is no observer there is no world. Theories are just theories. 

It might be hard for most people get their head around, but I will try and explain.

Trichromacy or trichromatism is the possessing of three independent channels for conveying color information, derived from the three different types of cone cells in the eye.

Now imagine if humans never evolved this ability and humans remained Dichromats (2 cone cells). The world would remain in a state of limited color. Imagine if in this world full of Dichromats there was a Trichromat (3 cone cells) surely this individual will gain knowledge which noone else could understand and make predictions more accurately. To be more blunt, in the country of the blind the one eyed man is king.

Second example. Take human beings verses apes. To an ape we would all appear to have precognition. What would make us appear to be precogs is our ability to think abstractly and logically. In the same way within humans there are those that are operating on another level of reasoning.

In your example of the dice. The Mode would always be a single number. All the numbers will never appear equally over 100 throws of the dice. There will always be a Mode. One number that appears more than the others. This is why I say mathematical probability is a pseudo reality.

Now I will talk in more esoteric terms.

The question is what causes a number to appear in a throw or a spin?

The answer is 'Random'.

Random is an intelligent force. By becoming one with this force, you will understand its behaviour and gain knowledge about the outcome of random events.

Most people are equivalent to Apes or Dichromats. Their ability to perceive the force of 'Random' is almost nonexistent therefore they believe random to be chaotic. Because of their lack of ability in understanding Random they begin to assume probabilities are fixed.

'RANDOM' does not care about those that are blind to it or who refuse to listen to it. 

This is why I said that the average person would have a the average probability of knowing what the outcome will be. while a precog will have a higher probability if knowing what the outcome will be. Simply because the precog has a 6th sense and this gives him extra knowledge about the world and about Random.

I hope this is clear.

[Anastasius]

I dont believe in chaos either
I believe in a ordered universe of ordered systems and a roulette wheel is one too therefore after the 100spins the mode number has been ordered and this can be known beforehand... but telepathy im not so sure..

[Bigbroben]

I dont believe in chaos either
I believe in a ordered universe of ordered systems

I believe order and chaos are one single concepts, or at least very similar.
A system, or universe, without intervention will try to find it's most stable state.  To point a system a tell it is in chaos is actually a system that changes towards a stable state.
Take as an example a coffee cup.  Our view of an ordered coffee cup would be for it to remain steady, standing, in one piece.   Although we call it order, it is an object, a system, that is full of unstable potentiality: chemical binding between molecules that is only waiting for its intrinsect energy to be released; different parts of the cup at different heigths, waiting to fall and be in a less gravitationaly biased state.
So what we call order is pretty much an unstable state that we struggle to keep.  Chaos, so what we percieve as disorder, only helps a system to find rest.
The cup will be in order once all of its parts are equally small and at an equal level.
Let chaos be until it is in order.

Applied to roulette: chaos could be the way, the process, for random to pop out different nrs until they all are equally out.  They will probably never be out at the same amount for each, but as the spins go by, the proportional difference between each will be ever smaller.  The chaos process to reach equality will never stop, there will always be some ''work'' to be done, but in the end it will be in an state always closer to equality.

My thoughts.

[Anastasius]

bigbro

the most common singles that make a first double is 8.

and there are many more orders like that eventually that dont transgress too far for u to miss. for example the singles will go to 34 uniques or more after however many spins. but your tests showed u can get closer boundarys like 25 numbers. and iv been playing manually and the boundarys become less.

[Anastasius]

I want to see the 10th level but im doing maually and iv never bet more than 6 numbers i can tell from your earlier graphs the boundarys are absolutely lowered so in fact your initial  test is good. 6 numbers before a hit in 100 mini games

Nothing chaos  about it. In fact perfect order . Slight transgressions but order

[Bigbroben]

Here.  I think I showed it to you already but again:


On the right: there is an average of 4.43 2-hitters before the 3-hitter comes; whe the 10-hitter comes, there is on average 2.04 9hitters.  At least in the test I ran.

All the different possibilities created by the chaos give an average.

[Anastasius]

  how much further until the average other numbers before a hit becomes 1 instead of 2! 

Also . If i record 200 spins .can i come on next time and continue  from there or must i start again..... to ensure a worthy final group of statistics?

[Anastasius]

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