How to play with a "labby"

[frost]

ive read through the threads provided by fripper but i need o read them through again to fully understand the system

but

what if instead of betting every spin we bet every time red showed and we played for the repeat? this will almost eliminate long losing streaks and allow the labby to be completed quicker with fewer bets.

what do you think.

[aleks06]

that's impressive monaco, but how do you do when you lose after removing the "0" and the "1" ?

for instance

0,35,35,1

W 35,35

L ...?

[monaco]

1 possible way & following this through to the logical end, swapping a loss for the win where you say, you could do the following:

18R    35,35
L        0,70,69,1
28       0,70,70,1 
13       0,71,70,1
11       0,71,71,1
27R    71,71
21R     +1

that would be 64 reds in 199 spins, max bet 142u, max drawdown 143u, total +1.

This way, any more streaks of losses wouldn't really hurt you beyond the first one, as you would be retreating to a position of flatbetting 1 unit on a loss, & waiting for the trigger of a win to try & cross the line.

all very nice on this particular example as we get 2 reds in a row to see us finish, but of course you can say, 'what if the last 21R had been a black?' It's basically martingale territory, albeit less open to a straight losing streak.
Well, you'd be giving yourself probably 2 or 3 more cracks at closing it by continuing this way, or possibly at 35,35 you could have split that into 9 figures & given yourself more time for the deviation to balance itself out a bit, maybe by using the original method in this thread..

& i don't want to deviate too much from that as you & Fripper & others put so much time into it, & i think that is where the real deal lies, but i just wanted to experiment with the power of the labby, & see if 1 way or another, even these numbers could be beaten.                                                                                                                                                 

[aleks06]

thanks for your answer, but I really like your approach. I've tested this on "normal" session and as expected the profit is low. do you think we could find a way to increase it? we would really be near a HG   

[Fripper]

Hi Fripper â€" I thought I’d have a look at first at 1 particular aspect which intrigued me about this system, namely the use of the zero.

It seemed to me that it was being used at the very beginning for 4 losing bets (the 9 zeros) but then not used again. But it seems that it could be used more regularly as an extra safety net.
It’s basic use is to act as a flatbet, so still using the ‘stop after a series of 4 losses & wait for a virtual win’, introduce the zero here again when we are about to re-commence betting, just to make sure we are out of the deep water.

Doing it this way on Bayes 200 spin Hell Session on evens/odds, you get the following result:

Biggest bet: 32u
Biggest drawdown: 140u
Total +11u
(see attachment)

I’ve not tried it yet using the mini-martingale suggested by Belgian, but will give that a go next.

Just wondered what you thought about that, or if you’re trying some other things at the minute?

Cheers

I tested this way on session 1 of bayes hell sessions, betting red. Result was  profit but highest bet 270 units or something.


The problem was at the end of the labby. Just some figures and some losing bets came and the units did rise fast.

Hi again,

I've done some tests on your session with few tweaks.

Profit : +15

Highest bet : 19 units


While testing I've noticed starting with "0" before the "1" was not really a good idea, i've missed some units.

You will see that after a loss I only bet the 2 lowest figures and after a win I bet the first and the last figure.

In order to increase profit I add +1 unit to the lowest figure of the labby after every 20 spins without profit but I think every 10 spins would be better.


Also, a safety break is required when we have 1 or 2 figures. let's say if we have 1 or 2 figures left and the bet is over 30 units we would need to divide these 2 figures into "x" figures (lower the bets).


I've set the maximum of figures to "15" it could be less.

I think the secret is to find the good balance between the length of the string ( win's required to end the labby ) and the size of the bets ( protect our bankroll ).

The goal is to get the perfect alchemy to be able to overcome any bad scenario.

I tested your way on session 1 also because I liked the idea. However I ended with +19 after 222 spins with a high bet of 130 units.


I will try it again but this time I will divide into 9 figures when I have 1 or 2 figures left and bets get higher than 30 units as you suggests.

And guys, keep the ideas flowing, we can make this baby better.

Cheers

[monaco]

Been looking at the mini-martingale idea here, mainly the 2-step, as the 3-step can get a bit nerve-wrecking at some points., particularly the end parts where things can get out of hand..

This is possibly an alternative way of finishing a labby with some high numbers left, trying to keep the bets low but still using the priniciple of the martingale as advised by this method..

Say you’ve got 35,35, you could turn this into
15 20
15 20

Bet 35 to clear the first line, lose, so without adding any more numbers, distribute the 35 loss between all 4 numbers… you’ve now got

26 26
26 27

Bet 52 to clear the first line, lose, so now adding a number to each line, distribute the 52 loss.. you’ve now got:

26 26 26
26 26 27

So in other words, if you lose on the first step of the martingale, you distribute the loss amongst the existing numbers, still giving you a chance to clear the line with your 2^nd step. If you lose on the 2^nd step, you add a number to each line & distribute. As you can see, it’s not a straight doubling-up marty, but it is giving you 2 chances to clear a line in the way a marty would.

[monaco]

Would also add that this keeps within the labby principle of 1W/2L’s to clear (after the initial split), as there is no extra number being added after the 1^st loss, so you’re still crossing off 2 numbers with a single win, but only adding 2 numbers after 2 losses, whereas a lot of the time, adding new sub-lines after a single loss, or adding 2 numbers after every loss to keep the bets low can really turn it in to a grind.

[downthehatch]

hi gents
i wonder if you could help me with the system im using as it uses 'labby' ideas, ive read the previous
posts but am having a little difficulty in following them,

the system i have been using now for the last 2 or so weeks involves starting

0  1  2  3  4/   so of course i rub out 0 and 4 etc if i win, in fact if i get two consecutives wins, i dont  bother hunting the 2 units left so i start a new string.

if for example i play black and lose two spins on the turn that makes the string
0  1  2   3  4/ 4  4/  so a long loosing string with no winners would be /4 4 / 4 4/ 4 4/ etc

i start betting again when Black appears, so to be beaten in the long run this would have to happen

B RR B RR B RR B RR B RR B RR BRR B RR etc etc ad nauseum

ive been doing quite well since i started it winning approx 1,600 units (im using 20p units)

however ive had some very hairy times and in fact my worst was this morning when i got up to betting 200 units (201 to be exact!!)

   here is some of this morning's rather anxious string

0 1 2 3 4/4 4/5 6/7 8/9 10/11 13/13/13 17/21 25/29 30/31

now of course several of these have been crossed off but the next bet is to be for example 37 units

so would it be the idea to break the 37 into say 5 5 5 5 5 6 6, add them to the string

so etc 31 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6/  so the next bet then would be 6 + what ever the first number was

and again if it went up to 30 or so more unit to bet, continuosly breaking up a larger unit stake?

its just those long strings are nerve jangling my next bet this morning would have been theoretically 252 units and then 303 units !!!

or would it be a better idea to wait for Black to register at least twice before betting again

so then in the long run only a long long line of Sequence of

BB RR BB RR BB RR BB RR BB RR BB RR BB RR BB RR would lose??

i suppose this would reduce the numbers of betting opportunities but you would still tie in to a long winning run of blacks or whatever the Ec you had chosen?

i would be very greatful if you could assist in this as unlike me you guys seem to be able to actually
see the wood for the trees!!
Cheers Dth

[speed]

Hi Fripper, hi all,

Tell me what you think of this system. First sorry for my bad english.  I use similar system to this and still have not fallen, in theory it is possible i know. I play it accordance with the following rules;

1. play live french roulette (for this system house edge is 1.35 because if 0 hit we got half bet)
2. for bet 0,1 minimum bankrol is 150
3. play only when you have time because series can be long

Now about strategy. All time bet on same color. My starting series is 0,1/ when win on first bet series remains the same(0,1), when lose add 1, (0,1,1) when win after lose delete first and last number in the series like original system. When lose twice in row then stop and wait to bet color appears again and then bet. And most importantly wen have like this dangerus series(3,5) always add some unit to the beginning of series (1,1,3,5) The point is that at the beginning of dangerous seria must be 1 i hope you understand me.

speed

[Fripper]

@downthehatch
You can adapt the labby to your personal choice as you have and you can continue to explore new ideas. If you get higher bets like 30 units as you suggest you can add more figures, but that also makes it a grind, meaning the labby will take longer to end.


@speed
Hi Speed and welcome to the forum.


Yes french roulette is good because you get the reduced house edge. Indeed series can be long so always take the time so you don't get stressed, because that's when the simple mistakes happen.


Ok, you use 2 losses in a row as a stoploss and wait for a virtual win, I use 4 losses in a row. This is a your personal choice and I've also tested this and can't tell which one is the best yet.


Yes that is a good idea and monaco have already tested that idea a little if you look in this thread. Well it is similar. I haven't done much testing on this but maybe I will soon enough.

Thanks for your interest.


Cheers

[speed]

hi Fripper,

Thanks for welcome. What u think about this idea
write 20 units in a row (11111111111111111111) or 10 or...
and proceed as in this system which we have, when  unit disappears
we start sension again with 20 unit in row.
Follow the principle rule that on begining always must be 1.
When we have this serie (2345) we must add unit on begining (1112345)
now the stakes can only increase by 1
The advantage of this is that we will never reach maximum bet on table,
but when we add unit all time series can be wery wery long.
Is there someone who has time to put to the test this on minimum 500000 spins.
I think that maybe can long term win..


hi downthehatch

If your begining series like this  1234 you can try bet on red and black on same time.
You must write two series 1234 for red and 1234 for black, on one always add loss bet,
on the second crossed first and the last number. When one color is lost, another is sure to win.
As is known the same stake on the opposite color are interfere.
So if for example the fact bet is now on the black 2 and red 4 you only bet on red 2 unit,
because if zero  hit you only los 1 unit on french roulette.This principle will also guarantee the highest efficiency of capital.
Both rows (or all 6 lines, if you play at all half of the roulette ) at the end are fully cross
of course not all in one moment, but once everyone series are crosed.
I hope I helped.


speed

[downthehatch]

[b]@downthehatch
You can adapt the labby to your personal choice as you have and you can continue to explore new ideas. If you get higher bets like 30 units as you suggest you can add more figures, but that also makes it a grind, meaning the labby will take longer to end.[/b]

thanks for reply and advice
Cheers Dth

@speed
Hi Speed and welcome to the forum.


Yes french roulette is good because you get the reduced house edge. Indeed series can be long so always take the time so you don't get stressed, because that's when the simple mistakes happen.


Ok, you use 2 losses in a row as a stoploss and wait for a virtual win, I use 4 losses in a row. This is a your personal choice and I've also tested this and can't tell which one is the best yet.


Yes that is a good idea and monaco have already tested that idea a little if you look in this thread. Well it is similar. I haven't done much testing on this but maybe I will soon enough.

Thanks for your interest.


Cheers

[downthehatch]

hi Fripper,

Thanks for welcome. What u think about this idea
write 20 units in a row (11111111111111111111) or 10 or...
and proceed as in this system which we have, when  unit disappears
we start sension again with 20 unit in row.
Follow the principle rule that on begining always must be 1.
When we have this serie (2345) we must add unit on begining (1112345)
now the stakes can only increase by 1
The advantage of this is that we will never reach maximum bet on table,
but when we add unit all time series can be wery wery long.
Is there someone who has time to put to the test this on minimum 500000 spins.
I think that maybe can long term win..


hi downthehatch

If your begining series like this  1234 you can try bet on red and black on same time.
You must write two series 1234 for red and 1234 for black, on one always add loss bet,
on the second crossed first and the last number. When one color is lost, another is sure to win.
As is known the same stake on the opposite color are interfere.
So if for example the fact bet is now on the black 2 and red 4 you only bet on red 2 unit,
because if zero  hit you only los 1 unit on french roulette.This principle will also guarantee the highest efficiency of capital.
Both rows (or all 6 lines, if you play at all half of the roulette ) at the end are fully cross
of course not all in one moment, but once everyone series are crosed.
I hope I helped.


speed

hI Thanks for reply and advice will try to absorb that!!
Cheers Dth