Question: what is the game of roulette

[maestro]

so at the end of the day roulette remains game of chance.... hope it turns good way of play nick...

[donik7777]

Hi Nick!
How many units do you lose if you lose, and how many units you win?
I saw you play against the last street? You put high or low and 5 street?
Thanks.

[superman]

Hi Nick

I see where you are coming from but hate to say, I have tested random against random, the win/loss ratio is just the same as flipping a coin, I have tested it against PHP random(), random.org C++ ranodm() and Playtech they all have the same ups and downs, these are of course just my findings and I know other programmers have done the same, even trying two open game windows and using one against the other. Your results may vary.

Streets: Theres a member on the old VLS forum called John Gold, he had/has a blog section where he told us about Streets of Gold, very very similar to what you are doing, I have coded his system into a bot and it fails, you will be suprised ho woften that street hits, when you don't want it to, it's a good read you should check it out, sorry I'm to lazy to link to it lol

[reddwarf]

Hi superman,


If i'm not mistaken nicks approach is a little different. It is based on a nice piece of maths, you can find it in this tread, i put the link on it.


It can be proven, for unbounded numbers, that you can increase the probability of guessing if the next number is smaller or greater than the previous number by using a gaussian random number generator. The rng's you mention Generate uniform distributed numbers, so this in itself is already different.


I think that nick understands that for bounded numbers this might not be true, but his experiment is at least an indication that he might be on to something.


Reddwarf

[reddwarf]

Nicksmi,


Maybe it is an idea to open a new thread where we can discuss and follow your experiment?


Grts reddwarf

[Nickmsi]

 Hi Donik . . .




In my testing, I checked only the RNG data spins to see if they would win for just two types of bets, ie. Betting HIGH and Betting 11 Streets.  There may be other bets that might even be better.


I did not bet them together, just kept the results.


For example, in 2000 spins we would have had 537 bets on the Streets.  We would have won 494 times and lost 43 times.  Each loss would have been 11 units or 473.  Our flat bet profit was 21 (494-473).


In the same 2000 spins we would have had 744 bets on HIGH. We would have won 386 and lost 358 for a flat bet profit of 28.


What intrigued me was how close to the expected win/loss values these bets were and how stable the ecart (variance) was, albeit only 2000 spins tested.  Might changed drastically with more testing.


My thinking was that with this kind of stability perhaps we could get off the train at the profit stations more often.  Whether you want to call it “hit and run”, timing, luck or “knowing when to stop” or whatever, I think riding the ecart is one of the best ways to make a few bucks.


If this does not pan out, perhaps John Gold (thanks Superman) might have a few nuggets to mine.

You are right reddwarf, that this testing is not the same as the experiment, but it was just a thought I had that might be applicable to roulette.    Maybe it is just random vs random but I do enjoy the journey.

[Nickmsi]

 

Spins	Wins	Losses	P/L	Profit %
2750	386	358	28	3.76%
3000	423	385	38	4.70%
3250	459	412	47	5.40%
3500	488	447	41	4.39%
3750	522	486	36	3.57%
4000	553	521	32	2.98%
4250	587	551	36	3.16%
4500	622	580	42	3.49%
4750	652	615	37	2.92%
5000	684	643	41	3.09%

Still testing.  I am now just concentrating on the HIGH bet and have discarded the street betting.

The above is the results from just the HIGH bet.  It still shows remarkable stability.  It almost passes the Van Keelen Test, ie. if in 1000 placed bets you generate 100 plus profit. We only generated 40 Plus profit in over 1300 bets.

Again, this is all flat betting with RNG spins.

With time permitting, will now look at some reasonable progression that might enhance the profits.

Nick

[reddwarf]

Hmmm,

no more games to be played within roulette? I think I will lock this topic.

grts reddwarf