Does anyone have any Software, to play On-line Craps, esp at BV?

[Chrisbis]

Does anyone have any Software, to play On-line Craps, esp at BV?

I have only just discovered the game, and wanted to know if anyone here also plays the game of Craps- online?

Cheers for any replies. 

[Turner]

I do know craps very well. Online?...well its generated rolls...and I have played 1000s of games online. Rather than me tell you all i know...what do you wish to know.
Firstly....win craps is free. Its RX for craps.

[Chrisbis]

Where do I start?
Give me (and the other good readers of this fair forum) the basics please. 

[Turner]

Promise i will...but not on this phone. Ill do it on my lappy tonight. Its a gorgeous game with gorgeous maths
The key is understanding the duality of this game.its totally split into 2.
Ill explain later....

[Turner]

Oky dokey. this is straight out of my head. (I did look up the house edges)

First the basic pass/don't pass bets. loads more to come if you are interested. Let me know if you are not, it took a while to type and make the diagram

The 2 sides to craps
I've read many books but never quite seen it emphasised like I do here, stating 2 games in one.
Firstly, There are 36 combos of the 2 dice. This gives these chances for the dice to roll. Most probable first.
7, 6 or 8, 5 or 9, 4 or 10, 3 or 11, 2 or 12 = 6:1, 7.2:1, 9:1, 12:1, 18:1, 36:1
Ex. There are 6 ways to roll a 7, hence 6:1 = 6&1, 1&6, 5&2, 2&5, 4&3, 3&4
Ex. There are 2 ways to roll an 11 hence 18:1 = 6&5, 5&6

The table, firstly is split into two. There is the game of craps and the game of id.iots.
See red areas for idio.ts who want to give the casino a ridiculous house edge
The game of craps: Pass/don’t pass, Come, don’t come, 4,5,6,8,9,10
The game of idiots: anything in the red area
we know 12 is 36:1. The proposition bet for double six is  31 for 1. Notice the word "for". Theres another con to make the odds look higher. 31 for 1 is with your bet back. its 30:1. that's 14% house edge !!!!!. Jesus!

They all range from 9% to 17%. Any 7 is 17%? that's the most to hit number at 6:1 and they pay 4:1, although it looks far more attractive written as 5 for 1 

BIG 6 and BIG 8. pays evens. Just flex your arm 12 inches and get 6/5 straight on the number. You get better odds and a bit of exercise

The game
The Game is defiantly dual.  In a way, there are 2 games. The come out game and the Point game.
When a shooter rolls his first roll it is the Come out roll. We can bet on this. On the Pass line or the don't pass.

Pass line.
7, 11 will win and 2,3,12 will lose. Maths is favourable to win an evens bet due to 7 comes out most mathematically in the come out game.  But the maths are against you in the Point game because you will be wanting less higher odds numbers like 4,5,6,8,9,10 to roll before a 7. So 7 or 11 wins on the come out

don't pass line.
2,3 or 12 will win on the come out roll.  A 7 will lose. Maths is favourable to lose due to 7 comes out most mathematically in the come out game.  But the maths are with you in the Point game because you will be wanting 7 against ANY other numbers apart from the point. To make sure the house edge is tweaked, 12 is a push…..not a win. In some casinos, 2 is a push and 12 wins.
As for real estate, The biggest and most visible places to bet favour the house. The pass line is bigger than the Don’t Pass. The COME is bigger than the Don’t come. Even the font is capital for COME.
They want you to go into the Point game mathematically worse off. That’s why you can't take a PASS bet down. The small DON’T PASS area is small because once you get to the POINT game you are mathematically better off. That’s why they let you take your bet down ……. They want you to.
It works too….I have no stats, but I bet 90% play PASS/COME (right betting) against 10% DON’T PASS/DON’T COME (wrong betting or charmingly known as “The dark side”)
Actually, the don’t pass has a tiny bit less house edge than the pass bet. It 0.1% perhaps,  1.36% for don’t pass, 1.42% for PASS
See it cynically, it helps you make the right decisions.

COME OUT dice
2 = Pass lose,  Don’t pass win
3 = Pass lose,  Don’t pass win
4 = point, Pass and Don’t Pass stay on the table
5 = point, Pass and Don’t Pass stay on the table
6 = point, Pass and Don’t Pass stay on the table
7 = Pass win,  Don’t pass lose
8 = point, Pass and Don’t Pass stay on the table
9 = point, Pass and Don’t Pass stay on the table
10 = point, Pass and Don’t Pass stay on the table
11 = Pass win,  Don’t pass lose
12 = Pass lose,  Don’t pass win

POINT game.
Once the come out roll is over, the come out game is done. The come out roll will continue as long as 2,3,7,11,12 is rolled. By the way, 2,3,12 are craps. Once a 4,5,6,8,9,10 is rolled, the POINT game is working.
Come out roll, PASS line bet 1U…rolls 4. This is the end of the come out game. We are in the point game and 4 is the point. A big white puck is placed above the 4. Now, you don’t want a 7, but you do want a 4 because the point has been hit and a new come out roll will be thrown. If a 4 is rolled, you win your PASS bet, evens. You can see the odds are against you
Come out roll, don't PASS line bet 1U…rolls 4. This is the end of the come out game. We are in the point game and 4 is the point. A big white puck is placed above the 4. Now, you don’t want a 4, but you do want a 7. If a 4 is rolled, you lose your don't PASS bet, if a 7 is rolled, you win, evens. You can see how the odds are with you.

Isnt this easy?.....NO

Variance

The casino know the dice don't go 7,6,8,7,7,6,8,5,4,9,8,7,6,4,9,8,8,7,8,6,7,10,2,7,8,6,6,12
that's mathematically very nice

its going to be more like 10,8,4,12,2,3,7,6,10,4,4,9,10,12,2 on occasions

So you could say "play wrong to catch the maths in the Point game", or you could say "play right to catch the variance in the Point game"

Like roulette, 7 will be dominant followed by 6,8,5,9,4,10,11,3,2,12 over 10000 rolls, even then 6 may hit more than 7, 9 wouldnt thought. I've tested this many times. Over 10K 6 can dominate. Over 1million rolls, its in line.

When i say rolls, i mean random.org dice rolls.

EXAMPLES of play
New shooter, “they’re coming out!”
Pass line bet $5.
11 win, Pass line bet $5.
5….the point is established at 5
6,6,8,10,7 LOSE
New shooter, “they’re coming out!”
Pass line bet $5.
8, the point is 8. 11,12,6,8 WIN

New shooter, “they’re coming out!”
Don’t Pass line bet $5.
3 win, Don’t Pass line bet $5, 10 the point is 10
4,6,6,10 lose
Don’t Pass line bet $5. 5, the point is 5, 7 WIN

New shooter, “they’re coming out!”
Don’t Pass line bet $5. 7, lose

[Turner]

1st step, play the above over and over just pass or no pass. it helps learn the odds and the game. its much more complex than this but familiarity is everything. if you play for real, its daunting. people shouting and fussing. its a loud intimidating table, is the craps.

NEXT..(if you want more)  Bets with PASS/Dontpass with no house edge...."no house edge??".....that's right!

I wont post if no one is interested.