Random vs Random Adapted to Dozens

[GLC]

F_LAT_INO's EC system is holding up pretty well.  I thought that if the principles he applied to the ECs were applied to the Dozens it should work as well and give us a couple of similar systems to play for varieties sake.

I have adapted his system to the dozens as well as I can.  This is in the notepad area because it is anything but a polished system.

Here's how I have been playing it with perfect results so far.

We're going to calculate three bets just like R vs R.  The Penultimate, Same as last and opposite to last.  The third bet, opposite to last will be a double dozen bet because the last has to be a single dozen which leaves us with 2 dozens to bet if we don't bet the same as last again.  In the third bet we keep track of the 2 dozen bets separately or individually.  That means we are keeping track of 4 different bets on the 3 dozens.

Let me explain further for the very newbies.  Let's say the last 2 dozens spun are the Low and the Middle dozens.  Penultimate dozen = Low and Last dozen = Middle  That means our first bet will be 1 unit on the penultimate or Low dozen, 1 unit on the last or middle dozen, 1 unit on the low and 1 unit on the high dozens because they are opposite the last dozen spun.  

On a win we stay at 1 unit or decrease by 1 unit if we are betting more than 1 units.  On a loss, we increase our next bet by 1 unit.  Any time we are at a new high, we  start over by betting 1 unit on each of the 4 bets.

In the above example, if our third spin is a number in the low dozen, we would win 2 units because we have two units bet on low and only 1 unit bet on each middle and high dozen.  The 2 units on low pays 4 minus the 2 units lost on the M & H dozen leaving us ahead 2 units.

Of course we use differential betting.  In the above example we subtract the lowest units bet on a dozen from the units bet on the other 2 dozens individually and bet the difference.  In our example that leaves us only having to bet 1 unit on the low dozen which happens to win netting us +2

This is a lot of words to explain a fairly simple system that has been applied in many different ways.  If anyone needs more explanations, I will be glad to answer to the best of my ability.

I've only played this long enough to see that it works quite well.  For those of you who really like the 2:1 bets, I think this is a keeper to be added to your arsenal.  Of course we'll have to determine the best progression, stop-loss, win target, ect... to make it a stable system.

Tell me what you think.

George

PS  I have done my best to not step on F_LAT_INO's toes or take credit for his idea.   Just sharing my thoughts and trying to be a productive member of the forum.

[GLC]

A few tests.  Single zero wheel.

1st test:

14 spins
+7 units accumulated
-4 drawdown

2nd test:

14 spins
+13 units accumulated
-11 drawdown

3rd test:

41 spins
+31 units accumulated
-13 drawdown

I know this is just the tip of the ice berg as far as testing goes, but you have to admit that's a pretty good "units won per spin" ratio.  Testing takes a little effort because of keeping track of so many bets, but if it wins more than it loses, it'll be worth it.

Like Winkel said, if you want to win, you gotta pay your dues!  Or something like that.

Cheers,


George

[F_LAT_INO]

George dear,
I wouldn't wish to interupt your thread,but must tell you
that you seem to read my mind/as was thinking about posting it
in the near future,as am very well aware of this fact/but you have saved me the
time.Same on columns.Good work George.

[F_LAT_INO]

And tell me George,do you find it difficult to track,while
placing the bets.Maybe we differ some/not sure/so give me example
on these spins/I usually wait all 3 alternating then betting/

1
1
3
2......now start betting
3
3
2
1
2
2
3
2
2
1
3.....could you give me example of placed bets on above outcomes.

Thanks

[GLC]

And tell me George,do you find it difficult to track,while
placing the bets.Maybe we differ some/not sure/so give me example
on these spins/I usually wait all 3 alternating then betting/

1
1
3      Pen     bet      Last     bet      Opp1     bet     Opp2     bet      Result        Total   
2......now start betting
3       3        +1        2         -1         1          -1         3          +1      +4-2=+2       +2
3       2        +1        3         -1         1          -1         2          +1      +4-2=+2       +2
2       3        -1         3         -1         1          -1         2          +1      +2-3=-1        -1
1       3        -2         2         -2         1          +2        3          -1       +4-5=-1        -2       
2       2        +3        1         -3         2          +1        3          -2       +8-5=+3       +1 
2       1        -1         2         +1        1          -1         3          -1       +2-3=-1        -1
3       2        -2         2         -1         1          -2         3         +2       +4-5=-1        -2
2       2        +3       3          -2         1         -3          2         +1       +8-5=+3        +1
2       3        -1        2          +1        1         -1          3        -1        +2-3=-1         -1
1       2        -2        2         -1         1          +2         3        -2        +4-5=-1         -2
3       2       -3        1          -2         2         -1           3        +3       +6-6=0          -2

Thanks

F.

I filled in how it would look after I bet.  It's a little difficult since I'm not that computer literate.  As you can see, I start over after the total is +.  As you can see the above produced +4 units since we ended still at -2.  I don't doubt that if we had continued, we would have recovered to +.

If you have any questions, observations or suggestions they're more than welcome.

George

[GLC]

F,

I have only played this in demo mode on betvoyager single zero wheel.  Since I have plenty of time to figure and place bets, time hasn't been a factor.  It definitely takes a pen and paper to keep track of bets.  Betting differentially, you  only have to bet on 1 or 2 dozens.

In the above example my 1st bet would have been 1 unit on the 3rd dozen which hit for +2.  My 2nd bet = 1unit on the 2nd dozen, hit again for another +2.  3rd=1 unit on 3rd dozen for a loss -1.  Now I increase to 2 units the 3 bets that lost and keep the winning bet at 1.  My 4th bet will be 1 unit on the 3rd dozen.  The loss leaves me at -2 since I started over after the 2nd +2 win.  My 5th bet is 1 unit on 1st dozen and 2 units on the 2nd dozen.  2nd dozen wins for +4-1=+3.  This results in +3-2=+1.  So now I start over at 1 unit on all 4 bets etc...

I know this explanation is over-kill for experienced players, but for the new players, it will help them understand what differential betting is.

Cheers,

George

[GLC]

I see the chart I tried to do didn't come out so good.  Hopefully you can follow what I did.

Sorry about that.

G

[F_LAT_INO]

I see the chart I tried to do didn't come out so good.  Hopefully you can follow what I did.

Sorry about that.

G

George dear,
Will give you my version of that bet,but privately.
Be patient.

[GLC]

Fellow members:

Please be advised that I have, after further testing, realized that +1 on a loss -1 on a win is too aggressive for my blood.  We probably need to go to the 2:1 payout bet progression of +1 on a loss -2 on a win.  -3 on a win may even be better.  Still working on the basic sketches of this Rembrandt.

G

[GLC]

George dear,
Will give you my version of that bet,but privately.
Be patient.

F.

Waiting patiently.  The way I have been doing it definitely needs some tweaking.  I have run into a couple of 100 unit losses which puts me in the hole and trying to dig out.

Your student,

George

[albertojonas]

George dear,
Will give you my version of that bet,but privately.
Be patient.

i would like that too
thx