No wake up dozen bet

[Robeenhuut]

Just an idea based on Turnerfeck post and JL challenge.   Wait for for one dozen to sleep for 4 times and bet FOR it to sleep one more spin until you lose your bet. If loss wait again for one dozen to sleep and repeat your bet. Progression up to you. If you lucky and catch a long sleeper you can make some coin. Don't play this for too long.   So  1,2,2,2  is a trigger to bet 1,2 until you lose.
1,2,2,2(T),1(W),2(W),3(L),3,2(T),1(L),3,3,2,3(T),3(W),1(L)  and so on

[Stepkevh]

If i follow JL's explanation a bit i can make up thats it something in the way your discribing it.

Wait for a dz or cl to sleep 4 times and then bet opposite till win. (4 steps prog for 2dz)

If i test this in a excel sheet i see lot of winners, because mostly if a dz/cl sleeps for 4 spins it sleeps for a fifth one, so thats a direct win

If the dz/cl wakes on the fifth, no prob because it sleeps again on the 6th, so you have a winner on 2nd bet.

And one other scenario i see ; rarely ; the dz/cl sleeps for 4 spins it wakes on the 5 & 6 and sleeps again on 7th, so you have your win on 3th hit.

Stephan

[Robeenhuut]

If i follow JL's explanation a bit i can make up that's it something in the way your discribing it.

Wait for a dz or cl to sleep 4 times and then bet opposite till win. (4 steps prog for 2dz)

If i test this in a excel sheet i see lot of winners, because mostly if a dz/cl sleeps for 4 spins it sleeps for a fifth one, so that's a direct win

If the dz/cl wakes on the fifth, no prob because it sleeps again on the 6th, so you have a winner on 2nd bet.

And one other scenario i see ; rarely ; the dz/cl sleeps for 4 spins it wakes on the 5 & 6 and sleeps again on 7th, so you have your win on 3th hit.

Stephan

Actually you changed a bit an idea but its ok. I like possible tweaks. The idea is to sort of ride on sleepers so we bet repeatedly until we lose first bet and start tracking for the next sleeper after a first loss with a prog. Its a fairly quick turnover and if we are lucky we can catch long term sleeper like 8 or 9 spins at least. We hope that few consecutive hits dont make us rely 2 much on a progression. In my testing of 200 sessions i did not lose more than 4 times in a row but of course its not a big sample. U can of course play just for one win and start a new tracking.

[Stepkevh]

no not betting on sleeper, if dz3 sleeps 4 spins you bet on 1 & 2 till win, then retrack for a 4 sleeper

D1  D2  D3
x
x
       x
x                  start betting on 1/2 because d3 sleeps 4 spins
       x           win here on 5th spin
             x     retrack
x
             x
       x
       x
             x     start betting on 2/3 because d1 sleeps 4 spins
x                  loss rebet prog 3/3
       x           win
       x           retrack
x                  d3 sleeps again for 4 spins, bet 1/2
              x    loss
              x    loss
x                  win on step 3 of prog.

in the excel i have seen it go max to step 4, just like JL claims, i hav'nt seen a 5 step yet

[Robeenhuut]

no not betting on sleeper, if dz3 sleeps 4 spins you bet on 1 & 2 till win, then retrack for a 4 sleeper

D1  D2  D3
x
x
       x
x                  start betting on 1/2 because d3 sleeps 4 spins
       x           win here on 5th spin
             x     retrack
x
             x
       x
       x
             x     start betting on 2/3 because d1 sleeps 4 spins
x                  loss rebet prog 3/3
       x           win
       x           retrack
x                  d3 sleeps again for 4 spins, bet 1/2
              x    loss
              x    loss
x                  win on step 3 of prog.

in the excel i have seen it go max to step 4, just like JL claims, i hav'nt seen a 5 step yet

Ok Stephan. That's what i meant exactly but my explanation was not so good. Riding on a sleepers means trying not to wake them up  One difference would be to wait for the next bet in progression after a next sleeper shows up and not to bet immediately. How many spins did you test?

Regards

[Nickmsi]

Hi Robeenhutt

This system reminds of one I coded previously, called Streak Hunter.

It tracks both Dozen and Columns and when any of them sleep for 7 spins, it starts to bet that they will continue to sleep.  It tries to catch the longer sleepers and works quite well.

Attached are both the Manual and RNG versions of this so you can play around with it.  It is set for Flat Betting but you can change it to whatever progression you want by entering it in Column AN "Bet Amounts"

Enjoy . . .

Nick

[Stepkevh]

RH,

I test everytime with 1000 random numbers in excel.

I think i did that about 9/10 times, so checked around 9000/10000 numbers.

In 1000 spins you get around 50 betting opportunities, every one of them won within the 4 step progression. (or i didnt get a RFH  )

Thats around 50u profit every 1000 spins.


I'm working on something else, also double dozens.

Tested it with Wiesbaden actuals 408 numbers gave me 271u profit (soft way,largest drawdown 38u, max bet 190u), the aggressive way gives 483u profit (largest drawdown 156u and max bet 408) and the softest way gives 161 profit (ldd 52u and max bet 136u)

Stephan

[Turner]

Robeen....
I tried this many moons ago with doz and col. If you set Rx to view D/C for 4 spins in configure you can often see a column ready to bet against instantly after the doz is done.
I fell out with it because the min outside bet at my casino is £5 and i do like to stay there a few hours 
I am still obsessing with my trigger idea.....wait for doz to sleep 5, then when it hits again do something in that doz. Could be line...street...splits...3 or 4 numbers.

[dino246]

This appears to be a very stable system.

Q1    Why the need to retract after a winner ?

Q2    What do we do with Zero ?

Q3    Worth playing Columns at the same time ?

Q4    Hit and Run or Continuous ?

Back-Testing this with B+M live spins.

Dino.

[Robeenhuut]

This appears to be a very stable system.

Q1    Why the need to retract after a winner ?

Q2    What do we do with Zero ?

Q3    Worth playing Columns at the same time ?

Q4    Hit and Run or Continuous ?

Back-Testing this with B+M live spins.

Dino.

You can keep betting after a win hoping to catch a long term sleeper, Zero is just a loss, Columns are ok too but turnover is pretty fast and play lets say to win 5 or 10 units.

[Robeenhuut]

You can keep betting after a win hoping to catch a long term sleeper, Zero is just a loss, Columns are ok too but turnover is pretty fast and play lets say to win 5 or 10 units.

Just 2 times it lost more than 4 times in a row in around 700 bets but no illusions to make it playable method although its  still big time in a positive territory. But sooner or later the losses will start catching up with you. You can beat your expected strike rate by only so much time.
Playing 1,3,9,27 prog for dozens can get you 500 wins in a row but gradually you will drift toward  expected strike rate of 81/1. And your bet selection would not matter.  Its still 4 bets on 2/1 chances     I challenge anybody here to produce a bet selection for double dozens that is better than just betting randomly. And the challenge would be to have a strike rate that would steadily beat an expected strike rate.

[Robeenhuut]

Just 2 times it lost more than 4 times in a row in around 700 bets but no illusions to make it playable method although its  still big time in a positive territory. But sooner or later the losses will start catching up with you. You can beat your expected strike rate by only so much time.
Playing 1,3,9,27 prog for dozens can get you 500 wins in a row but gradually you will drift toward  expected strike rate of 81/1. And your bet selection would not matter.  Its still 4 bets on 2/1 chances     I challenge anybody here to produce a bet selection for double dozens that is better than just betting randomly. And the challenge would be to have a strike rate that would steadily beat an expected strike rate.

We hope that John will prove me wrong with FIVE and apparently even better  revised ZONE. The icing  on the cake would be also different than 1,3,9,27 progression that makes some people skeptical. But maybe its the only way. 

[Ralph]

If you use 3,9,27,81 at two doz, you must have trust in your bet selections.

Losing  the 5th spin, needs a long winning streak to catch up.

I never make good with 2/3 chanses, can win 80-200 times in a row, but just one bust make
all a loss.

I think the limit is not stake more than you can win in a spin. 2/3 is tuff, you know you lose at least one of the stakes every spin. You win more spins, but we like to end with plus.

The opposite, play just one straight up, due to low progressions I find much more comfortable playing.

If you are catching up at the end, and also need a lot of track spins, how much will it be an evning at a casino? It works as long you not fail a single session.

[Turner]

Just an idea based on Turnerfeck post and JL challenge.   Wait for for one dozen to sleep for 4 times and bet FOR it to sleep one more spin until you lose your bet. If loss wait again for one dozen to sleep and repeat your bet. Progression up to you. If you lucky and catch a long sleeper you can make some coin. Don't play this for too long.   So  1,2,2,2  is a trigger to bet 1,2 until you lose.
1,2,2,2(T),1(W),2(W),3(L),3,2(T),1(L),3,3,2,3(T),3(W),1(L)  and so on

Im gettin fed up with "5" already. 4 pages and still no one gets it. The trigger is here and it works surprisingly. Im gonna test this tonight but i will have this rule. The 5 you are looking at to see if a dozen is 4behind cant have a 0 in the list. Wait till the zero spins off the 5. The 5 must be clean of zeros
I will post results.