What are the differences between RNG and the real wheel

[marvin]

IMHO, the chance of having a repeaters and falling on the same side of the wheel is bigger on a live wheel due to dealer signature

[F_LAT_INO]

RNG is the challenge, the roulette table is just an ideal place to place bets, we are not, well those of us who test extensivley, which you hate as it shows holes in methods very quickly, we are not really playing roulette, we are challenging an RNG.


--Then you should be challenging RNG vers.RNG,not real roulette numbers if you claim those
have nothing with each other,ones are random the other aren't.In other words;
ALL THE HOLES YOU FIND IN ANY METHODS ARE NOT HOLES AT ALL.

it is only brainwashing ppl.to play RNG......I SAY DO NOT AS THAT IS TOY FOR SUCKERS.

Now should I expect to be deleted as my friend Tamino who posted his views on the subject.

[superman]

Now should I expect to be deleted as my friend Tamino who posted his views on the subject

Nope, but you did note that Tamino didn't complain either as his post had nothing to do with the subject, yours does.

it is only brainwashing people.to play RNG......I SAY DO NOT AS THAT IS TOY FOR SUCKERS

Thanks for that, then suckers we are. Our choice, and nobody is being brainwashed to play on RNG's.

Thanks again for your input, but if you have no input other than to tell us we are suckers then the next post may get deleted, you understand surely. We know your views on RNG are negative, that's not the issue here, the fact is, many have tested both real and computer generated numbers against every method available, they all die at some point but nobody can put a finger on what set of results (how they are formed) kill them off.

Flat obviousley enjoys the thrill of seeing a ball run around a track waiting to see where it lands, it takes about 10 -15 seconds before he knows his 'guess' was right or wrong, with RNG you get a kiss or a smack instantly, I don't need the thrill of seeing that, I want to know now.

[Bayes]

I've yet to see any difference between them. As Vunderosa says, there may be some temporary bias due to dealer signature, but that may work in your favour as much as not, and it will all even out over time. It's in the casinos interest to keep the wheels non-biased, that's why they monitor the outcomes and run tests, and these tests are much the same as the one's which RNG's are required to pass in order to guarantee fairness. As for cheating, well that's another issue, and I agree with Skakus that it comes down to trust.

[Bayes]

As for Bayes challenge, I hope it is not a weak and easily predictable rng because I’m kicking its ar*e, and I would like to kick all of their ar*ses, wheels too, with this EC Money system.

I've just realized that there's another RNG I could have used but didn't notice it in the user guide, it's a "cryptographic safe" RNG. If it's getting too easy maybe I should replace the current RNG with this one?  So based on your tests, do you reckon the RNG is easier to beat than actuals?

[hanshuckebein]

@skakus

thanks for trying to solve the problem by using actual figures. 

cheers

hans

[Turner]

Random.org shows a bitmap test to define what is random and what is not
link:://:.random.org/analysis/#visual

I cant get to the bottom of where one could perform this test.

Many gamblers use random numbers and RNG games online to blame their losses on. If a RNG roulette game on William Hill gave out 33,31,5,5,5,5 punters would think it was bent. Especially if that run had lost them a lot of money.

I have no doubt some dodgy casino could fix the output, but I trust PLAYTEC software to be random.

I think RNG and the wheel are the same output. I think the problem is about trusting the output.

This post is probably about Purists vs. Rest of the world

Purist = wooden wheel not RNG
Purist = Coin not random.org coin flipper app.
Purist = real Die or Dice

Why do you think the lottery is Analogue generated. Because purist view is trustworthy. If you want to be exonerated of any mistrust....then pick a real ball out of a real bag.

Unless its David Copperfield doing the picking

[amk]

One thing is for sure. If you win too much online you will be band. Is this a form of cheating?


In live casino play it is difficult for the casino to ban you. I have no real casino experience but heard from a friend who visited Las Vegas that you have to buy chips and register yourself otherwise you cannot play. This way the casino will always see how much you win and can thus ban you. In other words, they do not have to cheat....... JL plays on several casinos and withdraws selectively, this is the key to online roulette (if you have a winning method )


In a sense we are the repeaters they are looking for...


I believe that most B&M casinos don't have this registration of chips policy or am I wrong??

[Drazen]

In live casino play it is difficult for the casino to ban you.

Why do you think so?

Not at all. My friend no one didn't saw some one was banned from B&M excpet that one who was banned...
Be sure about that.

For the ones who won too much on regular basis and banned because of that, that is very white-collar and smooth gentleman manner. It couldnt be more then how it goes... And you get nice smile also from man who is telling you that, so what can you ask more when you found yourself in such situation? LoL

500th post! Wuhu! 

Regards

Drazen

[amk]

Hey draze,


I think in a B&M casino they cannot see if you are winning consistently unless you have to register when you withdraw. Online they can see easily. Withdrawing small amounts and sporadically will seem less suspicious.


This aspect of the game has to be taken into consideration as well. What good is it for me to have a winning method if I get banned everywhere?


B&M I think you are safe, look at F_LAT_INO....

[Ralph]

The only place I have heard casinos ban for winning, is on internet fora. I have never meet anyone  in real life, and I know some who have won quite a lot,

The casinos I think want the players back, so they get a chance to deplete a big bankroll.

Every casino think the will win by the HE, and they do. If all win very small its not good for the business. If some win a lot, it is probably just a loan, and if not it makes other play and risk more.

Casinos need both winners and losers to make theire business.
All games has winners and losers, the casino can well predict the annual profit, it will nor be better
banning a winner.

I have heard stories of people banned for a few 1000 dollars, and I do not believe its the winning cause the ban.

Suspected money laundering are more relevant cases.

[Drazen]

B&M I think you are safe, look at F_LAT_INO....

Well my friend, monsieur F_LAT_INO actualy isnt safe everywhere you know... 

He has been banned where this game is originated from... France.. Where the most known and best casinos are. Mecca for roulette players.

To be more precise he got banned in the "Casino de Ruhl" , Nice. And as all casinos are electronicaly connected, restriction of access applied momentarely for all casinos there... Yes that sort of player our dear Flat is...

Why and how he got banned is another story.

Cheers

Drazen

[Turner]

500th post! Wuhu!

Regards

Drazen

Congratulations........

[Turner]

This is a great post Superman. The question you pose is at the very heart of Roulette.

[Ralph]

I do not believe in that, they read your bets, and send  your  number so you can lose by using your betting pattern.  Random can be hard enough, and at the speed of the RNG the tings can go very fast.

Today I saw I won over 100 sessions since the last loss, a rigged RNG should of course not let that happen.

The talking of "Stay under the radar" is a myth, you allwas risk less if you stake less.

The difference with land based casinos and RNG is the speed, and the ambient.

One thing which is a drawback for landbased, is that (in some at least), you MUST tip on every winning inside.  If you play EC, you get half back. This makes insaide bets on our 0 wheel, not at all better than American 00-wheel, it you do not must tip.