What are the differences between RNG and the real wheel

[superman]

This is a great post Superman. The question you pose is at the very heart of Roulette

Yes it is mate, pitty there's no proof of any reasonable differences yet, just bickering.

The difference with land-based casinos and RNG is the speed, and the ambient

Thanks Ralph, that about sums it up.

[Skakus]

I've just realized that there's another RNG I could have used but didn't notice it in the user guide, it's a "cryptographic safe" RNG. If it's getting too easy maybe I should replace the current RNG with this one? 


That crypto rng does look interesting but lets just continue with this one for now.


So based on your tests, do you reckon the RNG is easier to beat than actuals?

If you mean my other tests, no both are equally not easy to beat.

If you mean my RNG challenge, I really don't know because I haven't played enough with actuals to make a comparison. I have been playing with real money at the casino and haven't lost a session yet but the total bets made is way to small to know for sure. Can't knock winning though and si far it's been EC money, I mean easy money.    

[Turner]

superman....

How many spins do you recon is a valid test to run through RX wheel analysis tool so that when it says Pass or Fail....its a valid test.

[superman]

How many spins do you recon is a valid test to run through RX wheel analysis tool so that when it says Pass or Fail....its a valid test

Not sure how/what the analysis tool does, I have RX but have never used that bit, what have you run through it so far? real spins? rng spins? and what were the results mate

[Ralph]

The methods will hold for some kind of series of outcome, and not for them you play against.
I think you can find other ways of study a method. If with sample spin, I do not think more than a few thousend.

I have seen methods passing 10000 spins, and fail the first visit in a casino.
You never know!!!

[Bayes]

I'm coding a tool at the moment which hopefully will shed some light on the old debate about whether RNG is different from actuals. I've mentioned the Runs Test before, this tool will make it easy to test spins using the runs test. You can select any numbers, but the test is binary so you must have two sets of numbers from the wheel (and both sets must contain the same amount of numbers). You can test sectors as well as any bet on the layout.

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[superman]

Very nice Bayes, how are examining the numbers though? or it it trade secret

[Bayes]

Not sure what you mean? Numbers are loaded from a file then when you've selected the two sets, the program will find the number of runs and then compute the value of Z using the formulas. (See web site linked to in previous post). For example, if you select any two sectors from the wheel, they have the same probability of hitting so they should (if results are random) give the same sequence of streaks and chops as R/B. The runs test will find out whether the sequence of spins you have loaded is random with respect to those particular sectors. Of course, RNG doesn't have sectors but you can select any group of numbers for the test.

[Turner]

RX runs a CHI square test which is comparing data with expected results
I ran around 10000 spins from berlin casino and same from random.org

Mabe Bayes could generate 10000 spins and I'll run it through.


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[Turner]

and berlin
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[Bayes]

It probably isn't clear yet what use this tool is, but it will be very powerful.  I'll give full details when it's finished.

[Bayes]

You mean RNG spins? 10,000 attached.

[superman]

Turnerfeck, I also uploaded 10,300 real money no zero spins from BV,

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9089.msg76315#msg76315

please run that through too mate.

[Turner]

You mean RNG spins? 10,000 attached.

bayes, are they from your RNG gen?
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[Turner]

Turnerfeck, I also uploaded 10,300 real money no zero spins from BV,

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9089.msg76315#msg76315

please run that through too mate.

Here you go....RX thinks its random
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