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[Johnlegend]

John,

In reply 196 i posted the tracker for that and i saw it go to 8 gaps in 1 doz or col.

Robeenhunt saw it go to 9 he said.

Stephan how reliable would that be though compared to a live wheel or an established RNG like BV. I ask this because I've been studying the breakdown of dozens and columns for the best part of 20 years and have never seen even a 7? ? And even on Bayes RNG and Ladbrokes and BV FUN OR REAL. Its never shown me more than a 6.
Does it function along the lines of Random.org. Which I don't really have a lot of faith in. Because I believe they just throw up certain runs for the sake of it. But you might go years and never see them in real play. As I have done...

[Stepkevh]

that's something i'm asking myself also because excels random function does not act the same as rng random or something else.

i think its all about the seed value to get a new number.

On the other hand, random is random.

Quick tested it again and max is 9   4 gaps in a row

[Johnlegend]

that's something i'm asking myself also because excels random function does not act the same as rng random or something else.

i think its all about the seed value to get a new number.

So it can't really mimick what would happen on a live wheel or quality RNG. I had to ask that because most of the time I am not even getting 5 consecutive 4 gaps. You get 3 or 4 and that's it. I want to gauge this because for me personally I would be willing to risk 242 points on a 5 step progression starting after  2, 4 GAP triggers. If that's not it we go from 3, 4 GAP triggers. But I really believe 8 is darn rare in real random I really do.

[Stepkevh]

Maybe this is a question that Bayes can answer.

Is excels random as random as an rng ?

[Ralph]

It is random, the best definition is it can not be predictable. It is possible to make it  predictable, if the start value (seed) is known. Normally it takes the milliseconds since a special date, which can be years ago as start for the seed, put in a like random modulus, one or more times, each seed is then
used in a time of a 1000 part of a second.
Sometimes it takes your movement at the keyboard as a part of the calculation.

There are other ways, but all are impossible to know, if you not know all behind and even then not easy.

[Johnlegend]

It is random, the best definition is it can not be predictable. It is possible to make it  predictable, if the start value (seed) is known. Normally it takes the milliseconds since a special date, which can be years ago as start for the seed, put in a like random modulus, one or more times, each seed is then
used in a time of a 1000 part of a second.
Sometimes it takes your movement at the keyboard as a part of the calculation.

There are other ways, but all are impossible to know, if you not know all behind and even then not easy.

Random but not as we know it. I will go with what I am seeing on the formats I see. And it hard enough to even see a five or six. In between there are hundreds that don't go to six.

[TwoCatSam]

See my screen shot..........

Why does the tracker stop?  What do you do if your bet lost and you need to go further, as in this case?

Sam

[Turner]

Ive never trusted XL RAND. If I ever wanted to run random numbers by something I had in XL I did this.

have my tracker in sheet 1 and 10,000 rand.org or real spins in sheet 2 vertically.

Record macro. go to sheet 2. Copy required random numbers from top down. Go to sheet 1. Paste random numbers into tracker. Go back to sheet 2. Delete the top line with the top random number in it.. go back to sheet 1 and stop recording. save as a letter...cntrl A or something.

Now when you press the macro (cntrl a or something) it shunts random numbers up 1 at a time.

Simple but it works.

Theres probably VB lookup or something but I dont know that stuff.

[Ralph]

So it can't really mimick what would happen on a live wheel or quality RNG. I had to ask that because most of the time I am not even getting 5 consecutive 4 gaps. You get 3 or 4 and that's it. I want to gauge this because for me personally I would be willing to risk 242 points on a 5 step progression starting after  2, 4 GAP triggers. If that's not it we go from 3, 4 GAP triggers. But I really believe 8 is darn rare in real random I really do.

You rre on BV they use true randon, from similar sorces as random.org, it is not any computer psedu random.

[Johnlegend]

You rre on BV they use true random, from similar sorces as random.org, it is not any computer psedu random.

That's good to know Ralph

[Stepkevh]

Sam,

use this one i post now, it has 500 cells that can be use instead of 100

Stephan

[TwoCatSam]

Kevh

Thanks a ton!

COMMENT..................

This has got to be the slowest method I've ever seen for the payback.  Why no robot?  It would seem that would be the way to go.  I will certainly contribute.

I will say this for John:  He must be the most patient, tenacious human on the planet.  If anyone has earned the right to win, it's him.

Still a bit of a bloviator, but hey!  Who's perfect??

TCH

[Johnlegend]

Kevh

Thanks a ton!

COMMENT..................

This has got to be the slowest method I've ever seen for the payback.  Why no robot?  It would seem that would be the way to go.  I will certainly contribute.

I will say this for John:  He must be the most patient, tenacious human on the planet.  If anyone has earned the right to win, it's him.

Still a bit of a bloviator, but hey!  Who's perfect??

TCH

Thanks Sam. I think theres a complement in there somewhere LoL! The thing is Sam on BV I am not waiting long at all This is what's bugging me. Why is this tracker taking so long to produce triggers? And then at the other extreme its already shown you guys 8 or 9 consecutive 4 gaps on a single dozen. YET! BV or live wheels are hard pressed to even go 6.
I find these two extremes very odd. Any ideas people???

[Stepkevh]

i'm sure the triggers are right in the tracker.

the only thing that sometimes takes long is to get the first trigger.

one time it will be at 20 spins or 30 spins and other times it takes 50 spins.

[Johnlegend]

i'm sure the triggers are right in the tracker.

the only thing that sometimes takes long is to get the first trigger.

one time it will be at 20 spins or 30 spins and other times it takes 50 spins.

Well thats about right for time then Stephan. Im wondering why Sam considers that to require the patience of a saint. Remember you can be playing other methods too. Which is what I do. So you arent just sitting around waiting for FIVE to qualify. You can have methods like the ZONE and DIVIDE AND CONQUER. To fill the gaps.