*****FIVE*****

[kevint3]

Hi kevint3, I guess i am struggling like some of us on this forum. in you Pictorial you had 2 = a 1=b as trigger maybe a silly question can i ask why did you bet against the B for a win was it because this presented a 4 gap?

cheers K

Hi KoolKat.  I have stuggled as well to understand this. I read this whole topic over and over to try to get it.

Let me try this to explain the picture I posted.

A= the 1st dozen on your roulette board (1-12)
B= the 2nd dozen on your roulette board (13-24)
c= the 3rd dozen on your roulette board  (24-36)

For me personally I broke it down to 3 letters to deal with rather then numerous numbers that can get more confusing to me.

Now on to the pic.  Look at the top of the picture. Both "A" + "B" dozens each formed their own single 4 gaps.  We continue spinning looking for the next 4 gap. In the picture "A" was the next 4 gap. Now given we had "A" at the top of the pic and further down "A" again it became the first dozen to produce a "double 4gap" 

Now look closely and within that double "A" 4 gap "B" started to form a potential 4 gap.  Now since we had "B" as a single 4 gap at the top of the pic..we are going to bet that IT DOES NOT form another 4 gap...so when you see that it is a 3 gap at that point is when you place your bet. In this case it is going to be 1 unit on "A" dozen and another unit on "C" dozen.   The spin came out "A" so we win.

If we had lost...we would continue to play. In that case you would wait for any 4 gaps to form. Then  wait for a betting opportunity again.

I hope this doesn't confuse you anymore. I am willing to help you get this if you wish.

[kevint3]

To clarify i meant 1000 sessions of 600+ games.  And my point is that we have essentially the bet with the same chance either betting against 4 doubles like FIVE

Just so we are on the same page....you do realize we are betting against 5 doubles forming...not 4? Thus the name FIVE...

maybe I am wrong??

[Robeenhuut]

Just so we are on the same page....you do realize we are betting against 5 doubles forming...not 4? Thus the name FIVE...

maybe I am wrong??

Yeah you are right of course - 4 step progression. Im getting ahead of myself.   

[kevint3]

LMAO..ok...just checking myself as it seems whenever I read this thread there is always something new within the system that i didn't know before.

As always ...good luck winning!!

[Robeenhuut]

Not to be a further arse, but I don't think you're right.

I think that the rules for FIVE are clear now but the problem is that in BV results there is no clue as to bet selection as i stated before.

[KoolKat]

Hi KoolKat.  I have stuggled as well to understand this. I read this whole topic over and over to try to get it.

Let me try this to explain the picture I posted.

A= the 1st dozen on your roulette board (1-12)
B= the 2nd dozen on your roulette board (13-24)
c= the 3rd dozen on your roulette board  (24-36)

For me personally I broke it down to 3 letters to deal with rather then numerous numbers that can get more confusing to me.

Now on to the pic.  Look at the top of the picture. Both "A" + "B" dozens each formed their own single 4 gaps.  We continue spinning looking for the next 4 gap. In the picture "A" was the next 4 gap. Now given we had "A" at the top of the pic and further down "A" again it became the first dozen to produce a "double 4gap" 

Now look closely and within that double "A" 4 gap "B" started to form a potential 4 gap.  Now since we had "B" as a single 4 gap at the top of the pic..we are going to bet that IT DOES NOT form another 4 gap...so when you see that it is a 3 gap at that point is when you place your bet. In this case it is going to be 1 unit on "A" dozen and another unit on "C" dozen.   The spin came out "A" so we win.

If we had lost...we would continue to play. In that case you would wait for any 4 gaps to form. Then  wait for a betting opportunity again.

I hope this doesn't confuse you anymore. I am willing to help you get this if you wish.

Gotcha Kevint3 Thank you so much for the fantastic explanation.  Koolkat

[kevint3]

Kevint3

OK, I agree with your post using the ABC method of identifying dozens.   Know which one?

OK..............

Now, the big pregunta..........

Suppose you lost.  Do you continue on with that trot of numbers or do you start all over?   If you continue on, is the single "four gap" in the game since it did not form a second four gap?  Could it be a second trigger if--say a "double four gap"--as we're now calling it--forms in the C dozen?

Sam...

Ok this is the way I understand it. Not 100% sure i am right as it is not my method. If I have lost then that would mean there would be 2 double 4 gaps. The game trigger one and the one that we bet and lost on. We are betting there will not be a total of 5. So when you lose you wait for another 4 gap to form...It could be "A"..."B"  or "C" or hell it could be all 3 of them that form. For arguments sake...lets say after you lost you continue spinning and "C" forms a 4 gap. That is what you are looking for. Any dozen to form a 4 gap. You then wait for C" to form a 3 gap and at that point you would bet a unit on A + B. Now it is very possible that while you are waiting for "C" to form that 3 gap bet trigger that another dozen forms a 4 gap. If that happens you would look for whatever one forms the 3 gap first so you could place your bet against it.

I hope that is clear...and I hope that I am right.

Now....if you win....good question...

My guess is you would continue to play on looking for the process to start all over again. Me personally if I won...I would switch to another Roulette machine in the casino and start tracking that.

Is that any clearer or is that more confusing?

[Johnlegend]

Sam...

Ok this is the way I understand it. Not 100% sure i am right as it is not my method. If I have lost then that would mean there would be 2 double 4 gaps. The game trigger one and the one that we bet and lost on. We are betting there will not be a total of 5. So when you lose you wait for another 4 gap to form...It could be "A"..."B"  or "C" or hell it could be all 3 of them that form. For arguments sake...lets say after you lost you continue spinning and "C" forms a 4 gap. That is what you are looking for. Any dozen to form a 4 gap. You then wait for C" to form a 3 gap and at that point you would bet a unit on A + B. Now it is very possible that while you are waiting for "C" to form that 3 gap bet trigger that another dozen forms a 4 gap. If that happens you would look for whatever one forms the 3 gap first so you could place your bet against it.

I hope that is clear...and I hope that I am right.

Now....if you win....good question...

My guess is you would continue to play on looking for the process to start all over again. Me personally if I won...I would switch to another Roulette machine in the casino and start tracking that.

Is that any clearer or is that more confusing?

100% correct Kevin. I took it for granted everyone knows what the word consecutive means. It appears some don't. I'm not going to be on this forum much anymore. But I will anwser any queries by pm or email. Contrary to what I'm being accused of I don't need any of it. The method isn't rocket science. If you can't get your head around it, move on.

[Stepkevh]

Ah, so there's another change in the rules 

I only knew if you had lost on a trigger you would continue tracking until a dozen forms a 4 gap.
Then you STAY ON THAT DOZEN till a betting opportunity.

And now it appears to be.
If you get a 4 gap and track further and meanwhile you get another 4 gap in another dozen, you track both until one presents a betting opportunity.

Wich one is it John, stay on the dozen that formed the 4 gap or jump to the one that presents you with the first opportunity to bet (if you have 2 with a 4 gap) ??

Stephan 

[Robeenhuut]

Ah, so there's another change in the rules 

I only knew if you had lost on a trigger you would continue tracking until a dozen forms a 4 gap.
Then you STAY ON THAT DOZEN till a betting opportunity.

And now it appears to be.
If you get a 4 gap and track further and meanwhile you get another 4 gap in another dozen, you track both until one presents a betting opportunity.

Wich one is it John, stay on the dozen that formed the 4 gap or jump to the one that presents you with the first opportunity to bet (if you have 2 with a 4 gap) ??

Stephan

I guess it was pretty clear that you stayed with the dozen that became bet trigger.
Anyway i dont think it would affect a strike rate if we changed dozen and bet on the first one giving us a bet.

[Johnlegend]

Ah, so there's another change in the rules 

I only knew if you had lost on a trigger you would continue tracking until a dozen forms a 4 gap.
Then you STAY ON THAT DOZEN till a betting opportunity.

And now it appears to be.
If you get a 4 gap and track further and meanwhile you get another 4 gap in another dozen, you track both until one presents a betting opportunity.

Wich one is it John, stay on the dozen that formed the 4 gap or jump to the one that presents you with the first opportunity to bet (if you have 2 with a 4 gap) ??

Stephan

The first oppurtunity to bet stephan to stay CONSECUTIVE. We are betting agaimst FIVE CONSECUTIVE DOUBLE 4 GAPS. That has to be understood. The first being our GAME TRIGGER.

[Stepkevh]

okay,

then i finally got it completely now...

IF there arent any rules anymore to be explained 

[deimos]

Hi all,

This is my very first session using five. Am I doing something wrong? 

see my attachment

[Johnlegend]

-----D1-----D2-----D3
-----04------05-----04
-----04------09-----04
-----08------04-----05
-----07------04-----04
-----04------07-----04
-----04------13-----10

That is five consecutive DOUBLE 4 GAPS. Anything less or more than a four gap makes no difference. We are ultimately betting against seeing FIVE of those in a row. Study and study it again. And stop over-complicating the method. You are confusing yourself and others by trying too hard. There's nothing to it. The first DOUBLE 4 GAP Is the GAME TRIGGER. We then bet against that happenning four more times consecutively. No matter what dozen, or how long it takes. The simple fact is we dont want to see what you see in that example.

FIVE CONSECUTIVE DOUBLE 4 GAPS.

[kevint3]

-----D1-----D2-----D3
-----04------05-----04
-----04------09-----04
-----08------04-----05
-----07------04-----04
-----04------07-----04
-----04------13-----10

That is five consecutive DOUBLE 4 GAPS. Anything less or more than a four gap makes no difference. We are ultimately betting against seeing FIVE of those in a row. Study and study it again. And stop over-complicating the method. You are confusing yourself and others by trying too hard. There's nothing to it. The first DOUBLE 4 GAP Is the GAME TRIGGER. We then bet against that happenning four more times consecutively. No matter what dozen, or how long it takes. The simple fact is we don't want to see what you see in that example.

FIVE CONSECUTIVE DOUBLE 4 GAPS.

Ok..now i am lost again...

I was under the assumption that this example below is also not what we want to see

-----D1-----D2-----D3
-----04------05-----04
-----08------04-----05
-----04------09-----04
----07------04-----06
-----04------07-----04
-----04------13-----04

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