Trying to understand the FIVE

[TwoCatSam]

OK, I will not delete your posts but I may rewrite them in a format I can understand.  I will then ask you if it's right.

I will use phony numbers.   Here goes..............

RULE NUMBER ONE:  We need two five gaps in the same dozen.  They may be back-to-back, as in

Number......Dozen
12................1
22................2
34................3
25................2
11................1........Four gap formed...........
27................2
36................3
15................2
3..................1........Second four gap formed.

OR

12...............1
22...............2
23...............2
34...............3
11...............1.......Four gap formed here.
34...............3...... Something happened here to break the two four gaps.
3.................1
24...............2
17...............2
34...............3
5.................1.......Another four gap formed here

Now, am I correct so far?

When I get an answer, I will continue.

Sam

[Johnlegend]

OK, I will not delete your posts but I may rewrite them in a format I can understand.  I will then ask you if it's right.

I will use phony numbers.   Here goes..............

RULE NUMBER ONE:  We need two five gaps in the same dozen.  They may be back-to-back, as in

Number......Dozen
12................1
22................2
34................3
25................2
11................1........Four gap formed...........
27................2
36................3
15................2
3..................1........Second four gap formed.

OR

12...............1
22...............2
23...............2
34...............3
11...............1.......Four gap formed here.
34...............3...... Something happened here to break the two four gaps.
3.................1
24...............2
17...............2
34...............3
5.................1.......Another four gap formed here

Now, am I correct so far?

When I get an answer, I will continue.

Sam

You are spot on so far Sam both are acceptable GAME TRIGGERS.

[TwoCatSam]

Continuation.......


RULE NUMBER ONE:  We need two five gaps in the same dozen.  They may be back-to-back, as in


Number......Dozen
12................1
22................2
34................3
25................2
11................1........Four gap formed...........
27................2
36................3
15................2
3..................1........Second four gap formed.

OR

12...............1
22...............2
23...............2
34...............3
11...............1.......Four gap formed here.
34...............3...... Something happened here to break the two four gaps.
3.................1
24...............2
17...............2
34...............3
5.................1.......Another four gap formed here.

RULE TWO:  We need another four gap to form in a different dozen as in

23...............2
28...............3
36...............3
11...............1
24...............2...........Four gap formed here.

Now we wait for the first dozen to do this

8.................1
14...............2
34...............3
18...............2..........The final trigger.  We bet against the first dozen forming a four gap, so we would bet dozens 2 and 3.

Is it correct so far?

Sam

[Johnlegend]

Continuation.......


RULE NUMBER ONE:  We need two five gaps in the same dozen.  They may be back-to-back, as in


Number......Dozen
12................1
22................2
34................3
25................2
11................1........Four gap formed...........
27................2
36................3
15................2
3..................1........Second four gap formed.

OR

12...............1
22...............2
23...............2
34...............3
11...............1.......Four gap formed here.
34...............3...... Something happened here to break the two four gaps.
3.................1
24...............2
17...............2
34...............3
5.................1.......Another four gap formed here.

RULE TWO:  We need another four gap to form in a different dozen as in

23...............2
28...............3
36...............3
11...............1
24...............2...........Four gap formed here.

Now we wait for the first dozen to do this

8.................1
14...............2
34...............3
18...............2..........The final trigger.  We bet against the first dozen forming a four gap, so we would bet dozens 2 and 3.

Is it correct so far?

Sam

No this is where you are confused Sam. The BET TRIGGER (SINGLE 4 GAP) Could be on the same dozen as the GAME TRIGGER or on one of the other two. All we are interested in is the FIRST 4 GAP to form next. Do you understand this Sam? It matters not which dozen it forms on.

Secondly, once it forms we stay on whatever dozen it formed on and bet against it becoming a double. So for example

DOZEN 3
5
4
4-----GAME TRIGGER

Now the next 4 GAP- formed on DOZEN 1 So we STAY  with DOZEN 1

DOZEN 1
7
8
4-----BET TRIGGER
3-----We now bet this doesn't become another 4 gap by betting on D2 and D3

Do you understand this so far?

[jordan69]

Sam,
i think it will be correct like this :

RULE TWO:  We need another four gap to form in a different dozen as in

23...............2
28...............3
36...............3
11...............1
24...............2...........Four gap formed here.

Now we wait for the second dozen to do this

18.................2
1...............1
35...............3
8...............1
The final trigger. 
We bet against the second dozen forming a four gap, so we would bet dozens 1 and 3.


See what i mean ?
you have to bet against the dozen who made the second trigger...

Hope i'm right

[Johnlegend]

Sam,
i think it will be correct like this :

RULE TWO:  We need another four gap to form in a different dozen as in

23...............2
28...............3
36...............3
11...............1
24...............2...........Four gap formed here.

Now we wait for the second dozen to do this

18.................2
1...............1
35...............3
8...............1
The final trigger. 
We bet against the second dozen forming a four gap, so we would bet dozens 1 and 3.


See what i mean ?
you have to bet against the dozen who made the second trigger...

Hope i'm right

Spot on Jordan

[TwoCatSam]

OK Gentlemen........Let me try to say this in my words............

1.  You wait for two four gaps to form in any dozen.
2.  You wait for another four gap to form in any dozen except where the two previously formed.
3.  On the same dozen where the single four gap formed, you wait for this:

35..........3
23..........2
11..........1
2............1.......Now at this point you want to bet against the fourth four gap forming.  A dozen three would make a four gap, so you bet dozens 1 and 2.

Is that it?

Sam

[Johnlegend]

Also Sam your entire game could be played on a single dozen like the following example. But for this to happen A, you must get your BET TRIGGER on the same dozen before one of the other two dozens forms one. And the GAME TRIGGER and BET TRIGGER have to be separated by a 5 GAP or more. They cant be consecutive.

DOZEN 2---This is an example of how your entire game can occur on a single dozen.
6
4
4-----GAME TRIGGER
7-----5  Gap or more IS REQUIRED TO SEPARATE TRIGGERS
4-----BET TRIGGER
3-----We now bet on DOZEN 1 AND DOZEN 3.

[Johnlegend]

OK Gentlemen........Let me try to say this in my words............

1.  You wait for two four gaps to form in any dozen.
2.  You wait for another four gap to form in any dozen except where the two previously formed.
3.  On the same dozen where the single four gap formed, you wait for this:

35..........3
23..........2
11..........1
2............1.......Now at this point you want to bet against the fourth four gap forming.  A dozen three would make a four gap, so you bet dozens 1 and 2.

Is that it?

Sam

Yes SAM. Thats it Hooray. But there is one other possibility that I have just posted. In which the entire game CAN be played on a single dozen. See if you understand that Sam.

[TwoCatSam]

OK

[TwoCatSam]

I think I got it all.  Back to bed for me now.  That 4,875 miles I drove nearly kilt me!

[Johnlegend]

I think I got it all.  Back to bed for me now.  That 4,875 miles I drove nearly kilt me!

Get some rest. Thats a helluva trek. I dont like driving 100 miles. I dont know how you did that.

[TwoCatSam]

OK

One more question:  Must the third gap of four be after the original two?


4
4
    4
    3............Here we bet dozens 1 and 3 to prevent the second dozen from going five.

What about this:

4
   4
4
    3......The second dozen four gap came between the two produced by dozen one.  Is this also a bet?

After that, I think I'm good to go.

I could just rely on the tracker, but what if it's wrong?   (No offense, Kevh!)

Sam

[Johnlegend]

OK

One more question:  Must the third gap of four be after the original two?


4
4
    4
    3............Here we bet dozens 1 and 3 to prevent the second dozen from going five.

What about this:

4
   4
4
    3......The second dozen four gap came between the two produced by dozen one.  Is this also a bet?

After that, I think I'm good to go.

I could just rely on the tracker, but what if it's wrong?   (No offense, Kevh!)

Sam

Yes Sam, both possibilities are acceptable. Because there can be several short gaps of 1---3 between the time you get your First 4gap and second 4gap to make your GAME TRIGGER. In the meantime another Dozen could form a 4 GAP. But we are only interested in the FIRST one to get to two. And then after that its straight forward.

[Stepkevh]

OK

One more question:  Must the third gap of four be after the original two?


4
4
    4
    3............Here we bet dozens 1 and 3 to prevent the second dozen from going five.
This is okay


What about this:

4
   4
4
    3......The second dozen four gap came between the two produced by dozen one.  Is this also a bet?
No bet, only a game trigger because you need 2  4 gaps in 1 dozen for the first trigger then there needs to form 1 single 4 gap in another dozen for the second trigger and then a 3gap to bet
so your example should be

4
   4
4     you get 2  4 gaps here in the first dozen, thats the first trigger
   4  this is the second trigger, single 4 gap in any other dozen after 2  4gaps in another dozen
   3  stay on the same dozen from the single 4gap, when 3gap forms bet against it so bet dz 1&3

After that, I think I'm good to go.

I could just rely on the tracker, but what if it's wrong?   (No offense, Kevh!)stepkevh or Stephan 

Sam

No problem Sam, but i'm pretty sure that the tracker has all the triggers right