Impossible???

[Maui13]

We've put people on the moon, we've created production cars that can reach 431km/h, we build sky scrapers, we build underwater tunnels, we have the :...... but yet,

We cannot beat a round wheel, with a little ball.....

How can this be?


Regards

M

[Jordan]

All the acomplisments that you mentioned above were achived because of the right MATHS.

Think of it like this : We acomplished to make a Wheel with a little ball that it will be forever UNBEATABLE!

What an acomplisment!!!!!

[ThomasGrant]

LOL...

RNG...

[Maui13]

Haha, Jordan you are right.... it is actually an accomplishment....that it's so bulletproof!

@ Thomas, perhaps read this article, and other members too....it is a good bit of reading.

link:://:.ams.org/samplings/feature-column/fcarc-random

the part about "Random Number Generators" 

This is what my opinion is too, if you give a computer instruction to give you a set of numbers, then it's not random.......

Anyway...so how bulletproof is this, if we as humans have created the input.....?

Impossible...    I think maybe not...

Regards

M

PS. Everyone likes to post the part where Einstein says.... "You cannot beat a roulette table unless you steal money from it.". ...

BUT  Einstein also asserted that "nothing is truly random"

Just a thought I wanted to share....   

[ThomasGrant]

Well, here we are in the 21st century.
2010 soon to be 2011.
Roulette has been around a long time.
You would think.
With all the computing power we have.
All the various systems.
All the various ways to play.
That we should of cracked it buy now.

We ain't even close.

[Maui13]

That was EXACTLY my point right in the beginning.

We've managed so much, BUT no one, has manged to come forward with anything remotely close to solving our random generated numbers we find on roulette...

So close....but yet so far....

Solving the impossible.... or impossible solution???   

Someone wrote the code to do RNG....


Regards

M

[ThomasGrant]

That was EXACTLY my point right in the beginning.

We've managed so much, BUT no one, has manged to come forward with anything remotely close to solving our random generated numbers we find on roulette...

So close....but yet so far....

Solving the impossible.... or impossible solution???  

Someone wrote the code to do RNG....


Regards

M

Yes, some one coded it.
So you you have 37 numbers.
Randomly sent via a internet link to the casino you are playing at.
Or you are at a live table.
And using a system, to try to beat or win some money.
The ball comes out.
And lands on a number.
What that number is.
And what it relates to.
What the number is, is easy.
Number 7, or 36 or whatever the number is.
That is it's physical presence.
Now, the next number.
What are the odds.
Of that number turning up again?
Where will the ball land next.
That is called the unknown.
So we do not know.
But we can guess.
Based on what ever factors we consider appropriate.
Sometimes we guess correctly.
But not very often.
Not even a cray super computer.
Can work out the complex algorithms of RNG.
Many of the members here, have been at this game for many years.
Seen many systems.
Many ideas.
Some even pay others for what information that they may have.
There are a few in here.
Not saying what they have. Or perceive to have isn't valid.
Just saying that there are those that offer services like this.
So it is a comment, rather than a point of contention.
Ok?
Now moving on.
After all these years.
So many ways to play the game.
It still falls down to luck.

No matter what number comes out.
If you have not got that number covered somehow.
Then you will never win.

Again, it comes down to luck.
I know people that have purchased software.
Or created software.
It is has nothing to with software.
No matter what systems are in the software.
If the number that you are looking for does not come up.
Then you ain't gonna win.
Simple as that.

I think people forget that.

[WannaWin]

We cannot beat a round wheel, with a little ball.....

How can this be?

Can not be overcome?

Depends on who you ask, all online scammers can beat roulette with their systems and services for sale. Not one of them lose in the game.

Mr. Steve has millions thanks to his players, which everyone wins.

Mr. Forester Predicts the ball so Accurate, scatter included. He always wins roulette.

That device has Mr.Mark Howe has to sell, always wins.

Mr Izak matatya, John Agger, Martin Silverthorne, Dr. Neubauer and all others. They all win millions and millions with the systems they sell and are never banned from casino.

The only one that has proof of ban by a casino is Mr. Balvinder Sambhi.

Mr. Balvinder Sambhi was maybe fired from the casino because of smelly farts and the casino out of respect does not say why in the banning letter. Then he takes this letter to say it was by multiple gains in 2 months profits.

Surely a system that gets played 2 months in the speed of a live roulette 40 sets per hour is a sure long-term winner. Maybe the definition of long term is now changed to 7000 or 8000 spins to be declared complete. if he played every hand every day of the month for 6 hours. Most likely he not played every hand and most likely not played every day.

Please.

Scammers all!

We must learn from past scams so we will not be cheated in the future.

WannaWIn

[Jordan]

It is indeed facinating to look at the Randomness(past numbers) and try to predict the next outcome with a better advantage than the -2.7.
Beccause everybody knows that if this could happen then bye bye poorness! we will all be kings!

BUT  the REALITY is that IF u have 3 matches and u will add them togeather it will always make the resault of 3. because 1+1+1=3

Tryig to make this calculation by trying to prove that 1+1+1=NOT 3 but anything else it is EXACTLY the same thing as try to win in roulette!
It is really that simple!The maths of Roulette are SO simple.
PPL don t want to admit it because of 4 things
1)they are UNeducated
2)their hopes are BIGGER then their logic
3)they have NO logic
4)They know that it can t been done,but they can t admit it because they are selling scam systems.

Randomness can not been predicted with a better accurasy than the -2.7.
Everyone that claims that he can ...he has been proved as a SCAM throwgh the years in the Forums.
Every one that hasn t yet beed proved as a scam...in the nest months or years he will too.

I am folowing the Roulette forums for 3 years every day!~
I have met a LOOOT of ppl.
at least 10 of them was very sirious in their posts about having found a way in winning the randomness!

every one of them throwgh the months-ages proved that was scams or ppl that though that they had found a way and in teh next 1000 testing spins their system TANKED.

Everytime that u will be making a system....u must think of :

""" Roulette is a wheel with 37/38 numbers in it. OK so there is also a little ball that runs randomly and sit in any place....so how this system of mine can have a better advantage than the randomness? why ? """

U will realise that if u will get this true thing in in ur mind,every system that u may think of will seem to u as a JOKE.
And if u don t belive it...then test it

It will fail too as EVERY SYSTEM ON THE PLANET.

There are no secrets!
IF there was a way to win in Roulette it would be wide known by now and Roulette tables would be closed!

NO SECRET THAT INVOLVES SAFE,EASY,UNLIMITED MONEY .CAN BE KEPT AS A SECRET!!!!!!

PPL aren t that smart.

[Maui13]

It will fail too as EVERY SYSTEM ON THE PLANET 

Here is the million dollar question.... after this has been said...

Why do we keep looking for a solution to the impossible?

Aren't we wasting our time???


Regards

M

[Jordan]

I already told the WHY.

people don't want to admit it because of 4 things
1)they are UNeducated
2)their hopes are BIGGER then their logic
3)they have NO logic
4)They know that it can t been done,but they can t admit it because they are selling scam systems.

I belong in the No 2 reason

[F_LAT_INO]

Whats the point.

[ThomasGrant]

Circular thinking.

[mr.ore]

I fit into the category 2, my hopes are MUCH BIGGER then my logic.  Question is not whether it is possible to beat roulette, question is - how far can we go, how good can some system be.  I have found solution to both questions, and it's really sad, not only that roulette cannot be beaten, but even the best strategy is actually not much different from betting your whole bankroll on even chance, if you are allowed to do such a high bet.

If there are table limits, you can sometimes make their impact lesser by well computed progression in both unit size and risk.  This way I gained one more step in Fibonacci, but of course it failed in my simulations.  Best roulette system you can get is no better than tossing a coin.  Good thing is that by studying roulette I learned some more math, that's a good thing.

Today I have started looking into the mathematics that governs Texas Hold'em poker, there is at least a possibility of having positive EV, yet I hope I won't become just another fish 

[F_LAT_INO]

--If someone is going to casino with 40 chips,expecting to win,
ofcourse he will lose every time----but if someone is doing the same thing,but
with 5000 identical chips aiming for a 1% profit of his BR for a session---
ofcourse he will win each time 50 chips=100 euros.