Who thinks John is pulling our collective leg?

[TwoCatSam]

I have come to the conclusion that John may actually be a winner.  There are winners in the world.

But he will NEVER reveal the true method he uses to win.  John is a tease in the worst sense. 

If he were on the level, he would make a screen shot movie and let the world see exactly what numbers came and where/when he placed his bets.  A man smart enough to develop such a winning system(s) is surely smart enough to use such simple software and with all the money he's made--cost is not an issue.

And that's the truth............ pffffffffttttttttttt

Sam

[ddarko]

I have come to the conclusion that John may actually be a winner.  There are winners in the world.

But he will NEVER reveal the true method he uses to win.  John is a tease in the worst sense. 

From what I have gleaned so far it's a simple equation

John Legend = A plaster for every sore 

[superman]

I would put in $100 if you would raise your base unit accordingly to about 6 cents, and compound it a penny for every $20 increase

Let's leave it as it is, the original challenge is to show from a small starting bank (20 euros) using patience and short sessions (hit n run) growing in bet size as the bank increases, so far it has but we must also remember the false 5 euro bet that took place in the early days. I could have left my 200 euros in the account to start with but JL or someone else suggested a 20 euro start so thats what it should be, let it grow.

I think people are more pi$$ed of with the fact that the graph is going up but they cant get their head around the method of 5, to be honest I havent even tried as theres so much doubt in it already, maybe he hasn't explained it properly, human nature is to get angry and name call in the hope that the person will try much harder to explain, JL spend less time on explaining and more on proving, as Still says, the more you play the quicker you can oncrease the chip size.

we want to see if BV treats you differently

I doubt that will happen, the only thing that could make that appear to happen is if JL plays differently, more at stake = more mistakes usually or more doubt, hesitation etc etc

[TwoCatSam]

Still

I'll make you a deal.  You open the account for 100 Euro.  I'll play according to John's rules with .06 bets just as you say.  I'll screen film each session and post the work sheet showing the numbers, the gaps and my bets with vocals to explain. 

If I win, you keep the money.  If I lose the 100 Euro, I will Pay Pal it to you on the first of Jan. 2013.

John will either see his method win or lose.  If I'm playing wrong, he'll have to say it up front and quickly!  He will be forced to say what is right and what is wrong.

You notice I spent hours working out the method and posted my work sheet and he would not even have the courtesy to say it was right or wrong?

Still, you have nothing to lose---and twice as much to win!

Sam

[ddarko]

Still

I'll make you a deal.  You open the account for 100 Euro.  I'll play according to John's rules with .06 bets just as you say.  I'll screen film each session and post the work sheet showing the numbers, the gaps and my bets with vocals to explain. 

If I win, you keep the money.  If I lose the 100 Euro, I will Pay Pal it to you on the first of Jan. 2013.

John will either see his method win or lose.  If I'm playing wrong, he'll have to say it up front and quickly!  He will be forced to say what is right and what is wrong.

You notice I spent hours working out the method and posted my work sheet and he would not even have the courtesy to say it was right or wrong?

Still, you have nothing to lose---and twice as much to win!

Sam

Somebodies bluff has just been called 

[TwoCatSam]

ddarko

I hope it wasn't a bluff.  I hope he takes me up on it.  I suspect he won't. What I don't understand is why no one wants to truly test the method? 

Sam

[superman]

What I don't understand is why no one wants to truly test the method?

I would bot it in a test platform if I totally understood it BUT I don't have the patience at present to try to understand it, Sam, if you have worked it out then post the exact rules here in as few words as possible so it's crystal clear to everyone, if I have to scratch my head I lose interest instantly.

[F_LAT_INO]

Sorry john...I've been here 1 year and I am starting to hear a theme of rhetoric and in many ways an air of the esoteric from you. I certainly am not sitting in the wings waiting to gloat over your downfall. Quite the oposite. I'm here to learn about all angles of roulette...and randomness..and you let me see the "astrology" side of roulette.

I just think you are losing your audience. And I think your audience is what keeps you going.

be careful.
Turner

How well said...bravo

[TwoCatSam]

Superman

I firmly believe you are one who truly wants to get to the truth.  Bear with me and read John's post with John's numbers:


" Okay I am going to give several real played game examples of what qualifies a game of FIVE. Since my poor explanation of tracking triggers has left more than a few members dazed and confused. I will do my best to finaly nail this important aspect of the method.Using the numbers recorded then a diagram of how they look.

EXAMPLE 1---And the most misunderstood possibility.

12/34/35/16/07/30/01/21/27/03/17/30/04/20/34/17/08/07/12/09---GAME OVER.
 
-----D1-----D2-----D3
-----04------04-----03----------BET TRIGGER DOZEN 2
-----02------03-----03
-----03------03-----03
-----03------02-----03----------GAME TRIGGER DOZEN 1
-----04------05-----05----------WIN BET 1 DOZEN 2 AS IT DID NOT BECOME A 4 GAP.
 
As you can see The BET TRIGGER was formed before the second part of the GAME TRIGGER. This often happens. But because we require a DOUBLE 4 GAP. To trigger a game. Both Dozen 1 and Dozen 2 remain contenders for the game trigger until one of them produces the second consecutive 4 GAP. There can be times when neither will become a GAME TRIGGER.
I have had incidences where all three dozens have formed a single 4 GAP. And NONE of them have gone on to form a second to make the game trigger. It happens. Because we have to wait on random with FIVE. It can't be rushed."


Me again.  I asked John for clarity and he gave it.  I then created this work sheet showing the numbers and the gaps.  He would/did not comment on it.  However, since his numbers fit perfectly, it must be right.  Take a look and let me know.


Sam

[Still]

Still

I'll make you a deal.  You open the account for 100 Euro.  I'll play according to John's rules with .06 bets just as you say.  I'll screen film each session and post the work sheet showing the numbers, the gaps and my bets with vocals to explain. 

If I win, you keep the money.  If I lose the 100 Euro, I will Pay Pal it to you on the first of Jan. 2013.

John will either see his method win or lose.  If I'm playing wrong, he'll have to say it up front and quickly!  He will be forced to say what is right and what is wrong.

You notice I spent hours working out the method and posted my work sheet and he would not even have the courtesy to say it was right or wrong?

Still, you have nothing to lose---and twice as much to win!

Sam

I am still dealing with U.S. rules of non-freedom in this regard.  I have not figured out how to open an account in my name.  So to even consider this deal, there has to be a third party who will take 10% for handling. 

I'm like Superman, i would put it to a bot if i understood the rules.  I haven't invested that much in understanding the rules yet because i did not at first easily grasp the definition of a "4 gap" and let it go to see if anybody else would understand it.  Allegedly, Stephan understood the rules and made a spreadsheet.  Last i heard he felt a new understanding changed things quite a bit, but we have not seen an updated spreadsheet yet.  Meanwhile, i am working on implementing a bot based on Stephan's spreadsheet, if and when it's worked out. 

You're offer would serve to create a second track record to see if JL is conveying the method(s) he is actually using.  A bot does the same thing essentially. So i have choices to make.  I'm considering your offer but would like to see what JL says about my other offer first. 

[TwoCatSam]

Now------the question is:

After the win in my chart/John's numbers----Do you continue on with that trot of numbers or do you start over?  If you continue on,  is the second four gap in the game?  If you had lost instead of won on the 9, would you continue on?  Same question?

Can't you people see that John is posting only a small portion of the system?  Ask yourselves:  Why is that?  If he had a winning system AND he wanted people to play it, would he not post complete, concise and accurate rules?  Sure he would!

Folks, what the man wants in an audience.  He's like Elvis.  He always leaves the crowd wanting more.

What happens if there are no more questions to ask John?  He fades into background and people make money from his idea.  Someone will sell it on Ebay and claim they invented it.

I'm a bit of an egotist myself and I see his reasoning.

(You are, too!!)

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Still

Fair enough.

Sam

[atlantis]

Hi Sam,

JL wrote that after a win (or a loss??):

I start afresh as I play Hit and Run. I don't play more than 4 games in any session anyway.

A.

[6th-sense]

i thought i understood the rules..but now at a loss is jl telling the truth...i don't know...does jl only play 4 games or sessions or 4 wins? don't know but 4 games a day doesn't add up to over 1000 units profit that's over a years growth...4 sessions a day doesn't give you much time to log all imformation or know the limits....is jl,s balance going up ..yes...how?...y?....imformation....disimformation...who knows ...is stephkevs tracker wrong maybe...can you use the results  differentley ...definatley...can you combine it with one of jl,s other forgot about systems...absolutley...does jl use this other technique?....no idea...
am i perplexed...absolutley.....two steps forward and one step back....staggering towards a goal...
tease or not to tease ..playing for pennies?

[Stepkevh]

The tracker makes the bets right, i only have to add a few more triggers,

because of the last triggers that john talked about.

Like the fact that the bet trigger can fall BEFORE, BETWEEN OR AFTER the double 4 gap.

I only knew the trigger , first a double 4 gap in a dozen and then a single as bet trigger.
Or in the same dozen with a 5/5+ between it.

Soon i will post the new tracker, i'm just busy with learning how to automate my spreadsheets so they act as bots.

And thats when i will test "five" to.

Stephan