!!!!!!!!!!

[GLC]

Tom, 
I was going to suggest that Gr8player's or bread winner progression ideas are my favorite lately.  D'Alembert style is fine, but very aggressive.  With big bankroll it's fine.  If we can stay ahead with flat bet, that's the best.  Triggers are okay, but I don't think in the long run they add that much safety.

We can always add another layer to it by starting with a 1 unit bet on a single dozen, if lose a 1 unit bet on the even chance, if lose a 1-1 bet on dbl dozen ( if win the 1-1 bet on dbl dozen, we can play the 1 unit bet on even chance again, if lose back to the 1-1 on dbl dozen.  A loss on the dbl dozen sends us to the 2 unit level or whatever your bet line calls for.

Example:
# spun         bet                                                  result            total
5                bet 1 on 1st doz next
10             win.  Bet 1 on 1st doz next               +2                 +2
22              lose.  Bet 1 on high e.c. next            -1                  +1
13              lose.  Bet 1-1 on 1&2 doz next        -1                     0
23              win.  Bet 1 on high e.c. next            +1                   +1
33              win.  Bet 1 on 3rd doz next              +1                   +2       
20              lose.  Bet 1 on high e.c. next            -1                    +1
15              lose.  Bet 1-1 on 1&2 doz next         -1                    0
28              lose.  Bet 2 on 3rd doz next              -2                    -2
26              win.  Bet 1 on 3rd doz next              +4                   +2
24              lose.  Bet 1 on high e.c. next             -1                   +1
36              win.  Bet 1 on 3rd doz next               +1                  +2
25              win.  Bet 1 on 3rd doz next               +2                  +4
etc...

[Roughy]

I tried something like this but just with 1 dozen then even chance (high or low) as a backup. Couldn't make it work but then that was maybe just me! 

What I did notice was that when a chop starts to happen it can go on for many spins. So, maybe instead of just FTL all the time, once we have a chop for 3 or 4 spins we could start to FTC until it resolves and we start getting repeaters again and then go back to FTL?

Just a little idea that maybe you clever people could look into further.

Cheers
Roughy

[dino246]

To Albertojonas.

That had BETTER be a joke.......

[TwoCatSam]

dino

I feel he meant it as a joke!  Surely he wouldn't think anyone would do that. 

Sam

[dino246]

Many thanks for YOUR answer Sam.....i'll take it at face-value !

In fact that LEGITIMATE session at Gala Casino dated 16-09-02 totaled 88 spins.

All i wanted from GLC was to know how the two dozen part of the bet progressed as i couldn't believe that session was that bad.

I only ever back-test using LIVE-DEALER B+M spins,NO online activity whatsoever and that includes AirBall.


Best Honest Regards.


Dino.

[GLC]

I tried something like this but just with 1 dozen then even chance (high or low) as a backup. Couldn't make it work but then that was maybe just me! 

What I did notice was that when a chop starts to happen it can go on for many spins. So, maybe instead of just FTL all the time, once we have a chop for 3 or 4 spins we could start to FTC until it resolves and we start getting repeaters again and then go back to FTL?

Just a little idea that maybe you clever people could look into further.

Cheers
Roughy

Another way to play it is to drop the idea of always betting on the 2nd dozen along with either the 1st or 3rd dozen.  Instead we can bet on the last 2 dozens to hit.  This will eliminate the death blow we get from chops.  Now, the killer will be no repeats in the last 3 spins.  The other possibility is to heed Nathan Detroit's advice to take enough bank to the casino to give yourself a reasonable chance to weather some bad streaks.

If you can't afford a bank to weather all but the worst draw downs, might as well flat bet.

[Wally Gator]

Quote from: dino246 on Yesterday at 03:02:51 AMHow would this set of spins played out ?

10  No bet  bet 1 on low next
13  Win.  bet 1 on low next        +1   +1
0   Lose.  bet 1-1 on 1&2 doz       -1      0 
1   Win.  bet 1 on low next          +1   +1
5   Win.  bet 1 on low next          +1    +2
20  Lose.  bet 1-1 on 2&3 next    -1      +1
9   Lose.  bet 2 on high next       -2       -1
30 Win.  bet 2 on high next        +2       +1
7   Lose.  bet 2-2 on 2&3 next     -2       -1
10  Lose.  bet 3 on low next        -4       -5
18  Win.   bet 3 on low next        +3      -2
19  Lose.  bet 3-3 on 2&3 next    -3       -5
32  Win.   bet 3 on high next       +3      -2
29  Win.   bet 3 on high next        +3     +1
23  Win.   bet 3 on high next        +3     +4  You could have only bet enough to reach profit
3   Lose.  bet 3-3 on 1&2 next       -3      +1
35  Lose.  bet 4 on high next         -6      -5
14  Lose.  bet 4-4 on 1&2 next      -4       -9
23  Lose.  bet 5 on high next        -8       -17 Isn't 23 a win as part of 1 & 2?
3   Lose.  bet 5-5 on 1&2 next      -5       -22
35  Lose.  bet 6 on high next        -10      -32
14  Lose.  bet 6-6 on 1&2 next     -6        -40
23  Lose.  bet  7 on high next       -12      -52 Same here.  Isn't 23 part of 1 & 2 and a win?
3   Lose.   bet 7-7 on 1&2 next     -7        -59
35  Lose.  bet  8 on high next       -14      -63

[GLC]

Quote from: dino246 on Yesterday at 03:02:51 AMHow would this set of spins played out ?

10  No bet  bet 1 on low next
13  Win.  bet 1 on low next        +1   +1
0   Lose.  bet 1-1 on 1&2 doz       -1      0 
1   Win.  bet 1 on low next          +1   +1
5   Win.  bet 1 on low next          +1    +2
20  Lose.  bet 1-1 on 2&3 next    -1      +1
9   Lose.  bet 2 on high next       -2       -1
30 Win.  bet 2 on high next        +2       +1
7   Lose.  bet 2-2 on 2&3 next     -2       -1
10  Lose.  bet 3 on low next        -4       -5
18  Win.   bet 3 on low next        +3      -2
19  Lose.  bet 3-3 on 2&3 next    -3       -5
32  Win.   bet 3 on high next       +3      -2
29  Win.   bet 3 on high next        +3     +1
23  Win.   bet 3 on high next        +3     +4  You could have only bet enough to reach profit
3   Lose.  bet 3-3 on 1&2 next       -3      +1
35  Lose.  bet 4 on high next         -6      -5
14  Lose.  bet 4-4 on 1&2 next      -4       -9
23  Lose.  bet 5 on high next        -8       -17 Isn't 23 a win as part of 1 & 2?
3   Lose.  bet 5-5 on 1&2 next      -5       -22
35  Lose.  bet 6 on high next        -10      -32
14  Lose.  bet 6-6 on 1&2 next     -6        -40
23  Lose.  bet  7 on high next       -12      -52 Same here.  Isn't 23 part of 1 & 2 and a win?
3   Lose.   bet 7-7 on 1&2 next     -7        -59
35  Lose.  bet  8 on high next       -14      -63

Right on Wally.  Those are wins.  Sorry for the mistakes.  Got in too big a hurry while at work.    Still, the example does show how to play the system and if you're just playing FTL, chops are the nemesis.

[Maan]

A great thingy GLC. My compliments!

Cheers!
/M

[GLC]

Here's how to play this system.  stop-loss 100 units.
We're going to be betting e.c. and double dozen.

We bet follow-the-last on the e.c. bet and when we lose an e.c. bet we bet on the last 2 dozens to spin for the recovery bet.  A zero is just another loss.

Begin a pre-progression mode by betting 1 unit on the last e.c.  As long as you win the e.c. or the dbl doz recovery bet, you are in pre-progression mode. 
As soon as you lose 3 units, that's 1 on e.c. and 1-1 on dbl dozen, we begin betting in groups of 10.  The loss we just had is number 1.  We continue to play 1 on e.c./1-1 on dbl doz until we reach our previous high bank or have had 10 bets.  Remember, a bet includes either a  win on a 1 unit bet on an e.c. or a loss or win on the 1-1 bet on the double dozens.  If we don't reach our previous high bank before we have 10 bets, we move to the 2 unit level if we are 3 or more e.c. bet sizes below our previous high bank.  (If our e.c. unit size is 1 that would be 3 or more units.  If our e.c. unit size is 2, that would be 6 or more units.  If our e.c. unit size is 5, that would be 15 or more units.)

So, if we were +3 from our pre-progression betting and we ended our 10 bets at +1, since that's not 3 or more units below our previous high of +3, we stay at the 1 unit level for another 10 bets or until we reach our previous high.  If we end our 10 bets series at -2, we are 5 units below our previous high of +3 so we must move to our 2 unit level.

At the 2 unit level we will be betting 2 on the e.c. and 2-2 on the double dozen recovery bet.  At the end of the 10 bets we evaluate our position.  If we're at -7, we stay at the 2 unit level because that's less than 3 e.c. bet sizes below the point we were at when we moved to the 2 unit level, which was -2.  If we end our 10 bets at -9, now we have to move to the 3 unit per e.c. bet level because we are 3 e.c. unit size bets below -2.  We're betting 2 units bets so 2X3=6 and 6+2=8.  Anything -8 and below means we have to move to level 3.  Anything above -8 and we would stay at the 2 unit level.

We can play a couple of ways.  One, we can move up and down the levels 1 step at a time until we work our way back to a new high bank, or Two, we can stay at a level until we either lose 3 bets more than we started the level at or we recover all previous losses and can reset to our pre-progression mode.

Number two is more aggressive than number one, but gets us out of the hole much quicker. 

If you choose number two, you might like to increase your stop-loss to 200 units.

GLC

Unless I come up with something I think is brilliant, I will end this topic.  With my A.D.D. I can go on tweaking this thing forever.

[atlantis]

Using same  "bad numbers" but with 2 players...

Player 1 (P1) bets same as GLC original.
Player 2 (P2) bets opposite to GLC original

10  Start number
13  P1 wins 1   (next bet 1 on LOW)           P2 loses 1  (next bet 1-1 on DOZ 2/3)             = +0
0    P1 loses 1  (next bet 1-1 on DOZ 1/2)   P2 loses 2 (next bet 2 on HIGH)                     = -3
1   P1 wins 1 (next bet 1 on LOW)              P2 loses 2  (next bet 2-2 on DOZ 2/3)             = -4
5   P1 wins 1 (next bet 1 on LOW)              P2 loses 4  (next bet 3 on HIGH)                    = -7
20  P1 loses 1 (next bet 1-1 on DOZ 2/3)  P2 wins 3   (next bet 3 on LOW)                    = -5
9   P1 loses 2 (next bet 2 on LOW)            P2 wins 3   (next bet 3 on HIGH)                    = -4
30  P1 loses 2 (next bet 2-2 on DOZ 2/3)  P2 wins 3   (next bet 3 on LOW)                    = -3
7   P1 loses 4 (next bet 3 on LOW)          P2 wins 3   (next bet 3 on HIGH)                    = -4
10  P1 wins 3 (next bet 3 on LOW)          P2 loses 3  (next bet 4-4 on DOZ 2/3)             = -4
18  P1 wins 3  (next bet 1 on LOW)         P2 wins 4   (next bet 1 on HIGH)                    = +3*reset
19  P1 loses 1 (next bet 1-1 on DOZ 2/3)      P2 wins 1   (next bet 1 on LOW)                    = +3
32  P1 wins 1  (next bet 1 on HIGH)             P2 loses 1 (next bet 1-1 on DOZ 1/2)              =+3
29  P1 wins 1  (next bet 1 on HIGH)             P2 loses 2 (next bet 2 on LOW)                     = +2
23  P1 wins 1  (next bet 1 on HIGH)             P2 loses 2 (next bet 2-2 on DOZ 1/2)              = +1
3   P1 loses 1  (next bet 1-1 on DOZ 1/2)      P2 wins 2 (next bet 2 on HIGH)                      = +2
35  P1 loses 2 (next bet 2 on HIGH)             P2 wins 2  (next bet 2 on LOW)                      = +2
14  P1 loses 2 (next bet 2-2 on DOZ 1/2)    P2 wins 2 (next bet 2 on HIGH)                      = +2
23  P1 wins 2  (next bet 1 on HIGH)        P2 wins 2  (next bet 1 on LOW)                     = +6*reset
3   P1 loses 1 (next bet 1-1 on DOZ 1/2)     P2 wins 1 (next bet 1 on HIGH)                      = +6
35  P1 loses 2 (next bet 2 on HIGH)           P2  wins 1 (next bet 1 on LOW)                     = +6
14  P1 loses 2 (next bet 2-2 on DOZ 1/2)    P2 wins 1 (next bet 1 on HIGH)                     = +5
23  P1 wins 2 (next bet 1 on HIGH)       P2 wins 1 (next bet 1 on LOW)                      = +8*reset
3   P1 loses 1 (next bet 1-1 on DOZ 1/2)    P2 wins 1 (next bet 1 on HIGH)                     = +8 
35 P1 loses 2 (next bet 2 on HIGH)          P2 wins 1 (next bet 1 on LOW)                      =+7

A.

[dino246]

Fantastic Atlantis.....what a way to play this great concept ,reminds of the Winn-Maxx site with all their ideas !!

GLC please keep this topic ACTIVE....just look at all the interest you have started.


Cheers.


Dino.

[GLC]

Fantastic Atlantis.....what a way to play this great concept ,reminds of the Winn-Maxx site with all their ideas !!

GLC please keep this topic ACTIVE....just look at all the interest you have started.


Cheers.


Dino.

Atlantis is my hero and he's been off-stage way too long.  If this is worth pursuing he'll take the bull by the horns, so to speak.  I'm all out of ideas. ( Well, almost. )


A is a champ at trying to keep the bet sizes to a minimum.  That's what we need so we can all afford to play.


LOL,


GLC

[kevint3]

George I like it!!

Good job...am now building an arsenal of "little" systems to play. This shall be one of them.

Thank you for sharing.

[atlantis]

Another "live" 2 player session with real spun numbers

I only reset both sides on a NEW HIGH in the bankroll.
If a bet for a same amount on both sides of an EC is called for then then I bet "virtual" (no bet)
If a bet for differing amounts on both sides of an EC is called for then I just bet the "difference"
This will be advantageous should a ZERO occur too... 
Here is my preferred recording of the session at SLC with low stakes:

17 Start number

12 p1 win 1; next  bet 1 on L            p2 lose 1; next bet 1-1 on d2/3          +0
25 p1 lost 1; next bet 1-1 on d2/3     p2 won 1; next bet 1 on L                 +0
32 p1 won 1; next bet 1 on H            p2 lost 1; next bet 1-1 on d1/2          +0
31 p1 won 1; next bet 1 on H            p2 lost 2; next bet 2 on L                  -1 
14 p1 lost 1; next bet 1-1 on  d1/2     p2 won 2; next bet 2 on H                +0
2  p1 won 1; next bet 1 on L              p2 lost 2; next bet 2-2 on  d2/3         -1
35 p1 lost 1; next bet 1-1 on d2/3      p2 won 2; next bet 2 on L                 +0
17 p1 won 1; next bet 1 on L             p2 won 2; next bet 1 on H                +3 *RESET

15 p1 won 1; next bet 1 on H            p2 lost 1; next bet 1-1 on d2/3          +3
21 p1 lost 1; next bet 1-1 on d2/3      p2 won 1; next bet 1 on L                 +3
4   p1 lost 2; next bet 2 on L             p2 won 1; next bet 1 on H                 +2
30 p1 lost 2; next bet 2-2 on d2/3      p2 won 1; next bet 1 on L                 +1
9   p1 lost 4; next bet 3 on L             p2 won 1;  next bet 1 on H                -2
19 p1 lost 3; next bet 3-3 on d2/3      p2 won 1; next bet 1 on L                 -4
27 p1 won 3; next bet 3 on H            p2 lost 1; next bet 1-1 on d1/2           -2
1  p1 lost 3; next bet 3-3 on d1/2       p2 won 1; next bet 1 on H                 -4
8  p1 won 3; next bet 3 on L              p2 lost 1; next bet 1-1 on d2/3          -2
8   p1 won 3; next bet 3 on L             p2 lost 2; next bet 2 on H                 -1
14 p1 won 3; next bet 3 on L             p2 lost 2; next bet 2-2 on H              +0
30 p1 lost 3; next bet 3-3 on 2/3        p2 won 2; next bet 2 on L                 -1
3  p1 lost 6; next bet 4 on L              p2 won 2; next bet 2 on H                 -5
1  p1 won 4; next bet 4 on L             p2 lost 2; next bet 2-2 on d2/3           -3
31 p1 lost 4; next bet 4-4 on d2/3     p2 won 2; next bet 2 on L                  -5
25 p1 won 4; next bet 4 on H            p2 lost 2; next bet 2-2 on d1/2           -3
2  p1 lost 4; next bet 4-4 on d1/2       p2 won 2; next bet 2 on H                 -5
16 p1 won 4; next bet 4 on L             p2 lost 2; next bet 2-2 on d2/3          -3
15 p1 won 4; next bet 4 on L             p2 won 2; next bet 2 on H                 +3
4  p1 won 4; next bet 1 on L              p2 lost 2; next bet 1 on H                  +5 *RESET

33 p1 lost 1; next bet 1-1 on d2/3      p2 won 1; next bet 1 on L                  +5
31 p1 won 1; next bet 1 on H             p2 lost 1; next bet 1-1 on d 1/2          +5
6  p1 lost 1; next bet 1-1 on d1/2       p2 won 1; next bet 1 on H                  +5
13 p1 won 1; next bet 1 on L             p2 lost 1; next bet 1-1 on d2/3            +5
16 p1 won 1; next bet 1 on L              p2 won 1; next bet 1 on H                  +7 *RESET

+7 in 35 spins.

Possibly the ZERO can harm this -- so might be liked by the "nozero" game advocates

A.