An idea based on the CHALLENGE FOR ALL thread

[ugly bob]

Here is an idea I thought about after reading the CHALLENGE FOR ALL THREAD.

This idea also bets the splits. One of the differences is that I am going to use the dozens and columns to work out the bets.
You always leave out the furthest back dozen and column and the splits that belong to them.

You would be left with dozen 2 and 3 if dozen 1 was the furthest back.
This leaves you with splits 7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18.

You would be left with dozen 1 and 3 if dozen 2 was the furthest back.
This leaves you with splits 1,2,3,4,5,6,13,14,15,16,17,18.

You would be left with dozen 1 and 2 if dozen 3 was the furthest back.
This leaves you with splits 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12.

You would be left with column B and C if column A was the furthest back.
This leaves you with splits 2,5,8,11,14,17,3,6,9,12,15,18.

You would be left with column A and C if column B was the furthest back.
This leaves you with splits 1,4,7,10,13,16,3,6,9,12,15,18.

You would be left with column A and B if column C was the furthest back.
This leaves you with splits 1,4,7,10,13,16,2,5,8,11,14,17.

The splits to bet on will come from these groups however you will not be betting on all of them.

Here is a quick game just to show how it all works out.

NUMBER  SPLIT  DOZEN  COLUMN

16.  (7)  2A
2.  (2)  1B

You can see here how the furthest back dozen is the 3 and the furthest back column is the C.
This immediately wipes out 10 splits which would be 3,6,9,12,13,14,15,16,17,18.
There are only 8 splits left which are 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11.
The 2 and 7 splits have already shown and so you bet these 2 only.

13.  (7)  2A

That was a win.

I would chart this the same way FLAT charts the splits. This means crossing out the furthest back.
You can do this with the splits, dozens and columns.

16.  x  xx
2.  (2)  1B
13. (7)  2A

The next bet would just be a repeat of the last betting splits 2 and 7.

16.  x  xx
2.  (2)  xB
13. (7)  2x
28. (13)  3A

The bet lost and now the new furthest back dozen is the 1. The furthest back column is still the C.
This again wipes out 10 splits which are 1,2,3,4,5,6,9,12,15,18.
There are only 8 splits left which are 7,8,10,11,13,14,16,17.
The 7 and 13 have already shown and so you bet these 2 only.

16.  x  xx
2.  (2)  xx
13. (7)  xx
28. (13)  3A
24. (12)  2C

The bet lost and the furthest back dozen is still the 1. The new furthest back column is now the B.
The 10 splits wiped out are 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,11,14,17.
There are only 8 splits left which are 7,9,10,12,13,15,16,18.
The 7, 12 and 13 have already shown and so you bet these 3 only.

16.  x  xx
2.  (2)  xx
13. (7)  xx
28. (13)  3A
24. x  xx
24. (12)  2C

The bet won and the furthest back dozen is still the 1 and the furthest back column is still the B.

Playing it the way I have shown is maybe a good way to play because you are always starting with just a few chips.
It could be a good way to take advantage of the rule of the third.
Another way to play would be to wait until you had a certain total of splits which would mean more coverage.
Or you could reset every time the bet exceeded 3/4 splits. The choice is yours.
The one thing you know for sure is that there can never be more than 8 splits to choose from for your bet.
You will always have 10 splits wiped out leaving only 8 left.


bob.

[ugly bob]

A quick game.

NUMBER  SPLIT  DOZEN  COLUMN

11.  (5)  1B
21.  (12)  2C  3a missing leaves 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12. bet 5,12.

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11.  (5)  xB
21.  (12)  2x
3.  (3)  1C  3a missing leaves 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12. bet 3,5,12.

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11.  (5)  xx
21.  (12)  xx
3.  (3)  1C
23.  (11)  2B  3a missing leaves 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12.  bet 3,5,11,12.

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11.  (5)  xx
21.  (12)  xx
3.  (3)  1x
23.  (11)  xB
19.  (10)  2A  3c missing leaves 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11.  bet 10,11.

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11.  (5)  xx
21.  (12)  xx
3.  (3)  xx
23.  (11)  xx
19.  (10)  2A
12.  (6)  1C  3b missing leaves 1,4,7,10,3,6,9,12.  bet 3,6,10,12.

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11.  (5)  xx
21.  (12)  xx
3.  (3)  xx
23.  (11)  xx
19.  (10)  2A
12.  x  xx
12.  (6)  1C  3b missing leaves 1,4,7,10,3,6,9,12.  bet 3,6,10,12.

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11.  (5)  xx
21.  (12)  xx
3.  (3)  xx
23.  (11)  xx
19.  (10)  xx
12.  x  xx
12.  (6)  1C
34.  (16)  3A  2b missing leaves 1,4,13,16,3,6,15,18.  bet 3,6,16.

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11.  (5)  xx
21.  (12)  xx
3.  x  xx
23.  (11)  xx
19.  (10)  xx
12.  x  xx
12.  (6)  xx
34.  (16)  3A
6.  (3)  1C  2b missing leaves 1,4,13,16,3,6,15,18.  bet 3,6,16.

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11.  (5)  xx
21.  (12)  xx
3.  x  xx
23.  (11)  xx
19.  (10)  xx
12.  x  xx
12.  (6)  xx
34.  (16)  xx
6.  (3)  1C
13.  (7)  2A  3b missing leaves 1,4,7,10,3,6,9,12.  bet 3,6,7,10,12.

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11.  (5)  xx
21.  (12)  xx
3.  x  xx
23.  (11)  xx
19.  (10)  xx
12.  x  xx
12.  (6)  xx
34.  (16)  xx
6.  (3)  1C
13.  x  xx
13.  (7)  2A  3b missing leaves 1,4,7,10,3,6,9,12.  bet 3,6,7,10,12.

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11.  (5)  xx
21.  x  xx
3.  x  xx
23.  (11)  xx
19.  (10)  xx
12.  x  xx
12.  (6)  xx
34.  (16)  xx
6.  (3)  1x
13.  x  xx
13.  (7)  xA
24.  (12)  2C  3b missing.

35 splits bet over 10 games. 4 wins returned 72 units.


bob.

[soggett]

not bad at all
a tracker for this would be greatly time saving
will give it a go and see how it turns up

[ugly bob]

Hey, that is a great idea soggett. That would be much appreciated.


bob.

[soggett]

Just so you don't get me wrong, I don't know how to make trackers
or I would have made one for almost every system here
it is a bit complicated to track, got to get the hang of it I guess
we'll see how it goes

[ugly bob]

Just so you don't get me wrong, I don't know how to make trackers
or I would have made one for almost every system here
it is a bit complicated to track, got to get the hang of it I guess
we'll see how it goes

ok soggett. I think it is not too hard to track with pen and paper.


bob.

[soggett]

ok soggett. I think it is not too hard to track with pen and paper.


bob.

It get's easier 
what do we do with zero?
just tried it out, +15 in 10 spins, one zero
also in next 3 spins are 2 zero's so that's why I ask

edit:
I attached a little tracker to make things easier, its an excell sheet where you input numbers and it shows you what dozen, column and split the number belongs to
hope it helps a little

[ugly bob]

Great! Thank you soggett. 

Unfortunate that there is not much we can do when 0 appears. I just ignore it for this.

Next game.

33
9
12
13  3b missing. bet 6,7.
5  3c missing.  bet 2,7.
14  3c missing.  bet 2,7,8.
6  3a missing.  bet 2,3,6,8.
17  3a missing.  bet 2,3,6,8.
11  3a missing.  bet 2,3,5,6,8.
27  2a missing.  bet 2,3,5,6,15,18.
13  1b missing.  bet 7,15,18.
24  1b missing.  bet 7,12,15,18.
18  1b missing.  bet 7,9,12,15,18.
7  3b missing.  bet 3,4,6,7,9,12.
18  3b missing.  bet 3,4,6,7,9,12.
14  3a missing.  bet 2,3,5,6,8,9,12.
18  3a missing.  bet 2,3,5,6,8,9,12.
5  3a missing. +8.

14 games. Played 64 splits. Returns 72.

Not as good as the last game with a drawdown of -20 at one point.
Restarting once 12 original splits appear should keep the average bet to less than 4 splits.


bob.

[ugly bob]

Next game.

6
4
31  2b missing.  bet 1,3,16.
1  2b missing.  bet 1,3,16.
8  2c missing.  bet 1,5,16.
32  2c missing.  bet 1,5,16,17.
34  2c missing.  bet 1,5,16,17.
28  2c missing.  bet 1,5,13,16,17.
23  1c missing.  bet 11,13,16,17.
27  1a missing.  bet 11,15,17.
2  2a missing.  bet 2,3,5,15,17.
17  3a missing.  2,3,5,8,11.
2  3a missing. +15.

10 games. Played 39 splits. Returns 54.

Tested 34 games.
Played 138 splits.
Returns 198.
+60.

Of course this is just a drop in the ocean.
My tests could be purely beginners luck.

Maybe someone can improve it or it might bring new ideas.
Please post your results.


bob.

[Turner]

Bob...Ive not seen this exact idea before.
Thats a start.
...will run this tomorrow.

Thanks for the idea.
Why do i like it?
It deals with the moment.

Turner

[TwoCatSam]

"I would chart this the same way FLAT charts the splits.", he said.

hmmmmm

If you truly understand how FLAT charts the splits, would you please explain it to me.  I've racked my brain for three solid days.

Sam

[Turner]

"I would chart this the same way FLAT charts the splits.", he said.

hmmmmm

If you truly understand how FLAT charts the splits, would you please explain it to me.  I've racked my brain for three solid days.

Sam

Sam.....it involves Uncles, Aunties, and a cousin we dont talk about
turner

[ugly bob]

A game just played at Smartlivecasino.

8
28  2c missing.  bet 5,13.
19  1c missing.  bet 10,13.
9  3b missing.  bet 6,10.
4  3b missing.  bet 1,6,10.
7  3b missing.  bet 1,4,6,10.
34  2b missing.  bet 1,4,6,13,16.
27 1b missing.  bet 10,13,15,16.
17  1a missing.  bet 8,15.
0  1a missing.  bet 8,15.
17  1a missing.  bet 8,15.
31  1c missing. bet 8,10,13,16.
17  1c missing.  bet 8,10,13,16.
7  3c missing.  bet 1,4,5,8,10.
15  3b missing.  bet 1,4,6,9,10.
7  3b missing.  bet 1,4,6,9,10.
4  3b missing.  bet 1,4,6,9,10.
24  3b missing.  +16.

16 games. Played 56 splits. Returns 72.


bob.

[ugly bob]

Good luck with the testing Turner. It would be great to get your views.

Sam.. I am just crossing out the furthest back for the dozens and columns. I would also cross out the furthest back split with this if I had a fixed set of splits like FLAT does using 9 splits.  I noticed FLATMAN was around today and I hope he can explain in more detail on his thread.


bob.

[ugly bob]

There are a few things worth mentioning after testing this some more.
Keep the games to around the 15 spin range unless you are on a winning run of course. This should keep the average splits bet to 4.
Where it falls down is if you play continuous spins and one of the furthest back dozens or columns keep hitting.
I played a game with 20 spins and was betting 6 splits on each game at the end.
The furthest back dozen or column appeared 8 times in a row. It left me -50 at the end of the 20 spins.
What happens then is that the splits that came earlier do appear but you are not on them.
You can avoid this by keeping the games short.
Another idea could be to slightly increase the bets after a win. Keep doing this on consecutive wins.
Revert back to level stakes after a loss.


bob.