Should JL be banned?

[Steve]

Members decide. I'll screen all votes to ensure no proxies and multiple accounts are used etc, so dont bother.

[Jointu]

Really I do not understand this .
However, voted for JL to stay and contribute further to this community.


Cheers to all,

[Steve]

Really I do not understand this .
However, vote for JL to stay and contribute further to this community.

Yes people that dont understand often vote. Thats how Bush got elected.

[Jointu]

You might be right Steve,
However, good idea to let the forum members decide 

[Steve]

I know I can't always be right. But when something is so friggen clear, what then? some people just don't get it, do I let it go on and let people delude themselves, or stop it to try and help people?

... I'm coming to realize that banning people like JL/CEH/Fender won't stop it. People ALLOW themselves to be misled. The problem is not the people like JL. It is with the people.

I'm still considering the best thing to do in this case...

[Jointu]

I know I can't always be right. But when something is so friggen clear, what then? some people just don't get it, do I let it go on and let people delude themselves, or stop it to try and help people?

... I'm coming to realize that banning people like JL/CEH/Fender won't stop it. People ALLOW themselves to be misled. The problem is not the people like JL. It is with the people.

I'm still considering the best thing to do in this case...

From what I've seen, even if JL was misleading in his methods/approaches, finally people take the last decision to gamble.
Its true that JL approaches and especially his speaches are more pure human psychology 
Nevertheless I enjoy his methods/approach to this game, but I refuse to gamble until I have strong evidence that the method works.

[mattymattz]

If this fender guy scammed people in the past, then ban, ban, ban.  If not, then I could care less.  If people are really too dense to see that H.A.R. is not the answer (no matter the system), then all the power to JL/fender/whoever.

MM

[Steve]

I can see where the poll is heading: Towards banning JL. And it is the right thing to do. As for CEH, it is definitely the same network AND area but I can't find exact IP match in archives. Only same network and area which realistically should be enough. But nevertheless ... after more consideration, I've decided to let this forum run free with all the free speech people want, all the manipulation and junk and so on. Why? To teach some people a lesson.

The people that understand basic facts will see right through the garbage. And if they don't, they only have themselves to blame.

Some people may never learn. Many, many times, people have claimed to have the method and their claims create a big whirlwind of gossip and nonsense ... and after testing, it all falls flat. THEN NOTHING IS LEARNED. AND IT HAPPENS ALL AGAIN.

I'll even allow alabalah back here. I won't interfere unless anyone tries to sell something as I won't allow scamming. But people can tell all the BS they want, and people can believe what they want and I won't try to help beyond trying to explain why 1+1=2.

I will say very clearly from what some of you have read, the ignorance and stupidity is ASTOUNDING. I am in awe of it and if it is any indication of the state of the world, it needs one huge bomb to land on it.

Happy posting...

[Wally Gator]

I will say very clearly from what some of you have read, the ignorance and stupidity is ASTOUNDING. I am in awe of it and if it is any indication of the state of the world, it needs one huge bomb to land on it.

Reading this, it makes me question why you are sponsoring a forum ......

[Turner]

Its not a vote......The questions are loaded.
Should be
1. Yes
2. No

I don't want 1, but I can't tick 2 or 3 because of the loaded ellement.

what do I tick if its "no", but I dont believe he is a good contributor and he appears to offer a long term winning system.

[trebor]

Its not a vote......The questions are loaded.
Should be
1. Yes
2. No

I don't want 1, but I can't tick 2 or 3 because of the loaded ellement.

what do I tick if its "no", but I don't believe he is a good contributor and he appears to offer a long term winning system.

Just what I was thinking. Steve, have you ever thought of going into politics.


Trebor

[Turner]

Just what I was thinking. Steve, have you ever thought of going into politics.


Trebor

funny....I said that a lot to JL...."should be a politician"

[ADulay]

Well, I had to do some research and figure out just who in the heck "JL" is/was.

Seems to be OK to me from what I've read of his posts.

No problem here.

AD

[Steve]

AD if you knew the history of who he is, then looked at the IP addresses, you wouldnt be saying he was ok. You'd be saying he's a manipulator after attention leading people astray

[Colbster]

I don't think your options are adequate because they don't include "JL should be allowed to stay here just because" or "JL should be allowed to stay because he is a good contributor and it doesn't matter if his systems work, at least he is trying something, which is exactly what any number of other guys are doing who churn out system after system that have nothing behind them but who the person who started this debate doesn't have a personal issue with".