Should JL be banned?

[speed]

 

And why does anyone owe you a living?

So anyone who posts a system which doesn't work for the others is bad for the forum?

not unless autor 100% claim that his system works, and then those who believe lose money, and that is bad..

I'm a bit tired of this debate,I see that i only lose time.

[Bayes]

not unless autor 100% claim that his system works, and then those who believe lose money, and that is bad..

I have no sympathy for any fool who plays a new system with real money. And I'm pretty sure both FLAT and JL say to test first any systems they recommend.

This isn't a kindergarten.

[Ralph]

I wonder did you referring to this:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9762.msg84274#msg84274

You are more or less a nuisance, but we can choose to ignore you. this also applies to the way you want bann(lysta).you stand up and imagine something you definitifft not.
This is common, but most do much better.

[FlAtMaN]

Every time this speed creature pops up here is after good dop,and his only intention is provoking
people.here,especially me,couse I'm a Croat and him Serbian,and actually he should be first canditade
to be kick out from here...actually those gypsies are all same.

[Juiced91]

i didnt wanna get involved but then why doesnt anyone question flat? He posts how he wins also anyway. If any thread should be locked should be this one.

[superman]

why doesn't anyone question flat?

Good question, atleast JL's methods didn't morph/change after every loss!!

[Maui13]

We all know the "big stick" story.... this is what it is. The argument cannot be settled, so the one with the biggest stick...in this case Steve, has the last say!


Sad day for this forum!

[Dutchy]

       Steve, one question for you.How many of the systems posted are winners?I don't think he should be banned.He made many system posts and I found them to be interesting,not saying I bought into everything he posted.He seemed to have a real passion for the game.If he goes there goes a real contributor to this forum.

[Steve]

But in that case, shouldn't they get a warning or two before an outright ban?

Yes I agree. But you are missing the fact Fender did this over and over on other forums too. Then he was eventually banned. I am just enforcing the ban, PLUS he was doing it AGAIN.

As for him being CEH, the IP address is in the same locality. That means they likely share the same zip code. The same ISP and all. An ISP may have 5000 IP addresses. The chances that you logon with the same ip address as before is remote. But as I recall there was an exact match between fender and CEH previously. But the accounts were deleted long ago and so were the records. Now I just have same isp, same locality. The overall picture is more than enough. But anyway he isnt banned now. I know banning him is right, but I wanted some people to learn a lesson on who the "bad guy" is. But regardless, people will either learn that here or on other forums. And when they do, fender will just create another name and start again. He has done it before, and will do it again and again. This is my point. Just that some people don't learn from it and what he is.

I agree with Bayes, if he doesn't get to 40 euros by Dec 31st then ban his @$$ He has agreed to this figure already, just before you booted him

Think about this. 40 Euros? That is barely 1-2 winning bets? Do we really think it would be proof of anything?..

Like I said before, he is trying to string proper testing out for as long as possible. He does this for ATTENTION. And when he is exposed, he moves on. And again, he has done this before! that's why he was banned before!

OMG if I understand he needs two months to turn 20 in 40?! ..and someone would be waiting?! Please Steve ban him whoever he is, for all time, until the end of of the world.

Speed I am with you on this but I unbanned him to teach people a lesson. But it now appears clear they wouldnt learn from it anyway. If they do, looks like they will learn it on another forum that is more liberal about allowing obvious shills.

The poll is to ban him, but if it were any other member, the polls would be clearly to keep the member. It seems half know the history of fender, even if he isnt ceh, and half haven't learned yet.

A person should not be banned, except for illegal behavior, or doing damage to any. I can not see JL did that, he just  did what many do, while publishing result, censored the not so good. They demanded proof, gave him a way, but it is not the fault of JL it were not working well.

Ralph he was not banned for having a bad system. The reasons for banning were more than justified.

It is up to anybody to trust it or not, it is very hard to give proofs which stand 100%.

Absolutely, but fender is a serial offender with bogus claims to the point where his behavior is clearly enough deliberate attention seeking. It is DAMAGE to the forum. He gets off on it all.

Jl might have not the feet on the ground, but every in the age the can play, are adult to make theire own conclusions, as go for alllposts here. freedom of express is not limitid to be the others opinion of the true.

I agree, but I as mod need to find the balance between free speech, and removing people who are so full of it and willingly misleading people. If you recall alabalah, he was scamming people. His free system to lure people had no merit, but he claimed was the HG. He was given AMPLE FAIR CHANCE to prove he was legit, but avoided it and failed miserably. I was beyond fair with him. He was scamming people. And just because he posted lots and gave free systems too, that clearly failed, some people believed the banning was unjustified. Tell that the the people he scammed. Fender is a different kind of fraud, who's payday is attention. To allow him is like setting the wolf on everyone and saying "you have arms. fend for yourself." Isnt it better to just lock the door to what is beyond reasonably doubt a wolf??

It is clear speed and some of you have a difference of opinion. Although there is friction between some of you and speed, I believe he is fair in what he says. He can be abrasive towards others but no more than some of you are to him. We all need to be a little kinder to each other, and I'm no different. I do tend to get fired up when I know someone is misleading people, or when people are so darn blind. But I too need to watch how I come across.

Steve, one question for you.How many of the systems posted are winners?I don't think he should be banned.

Realistically? Virtually none. But again he was not banned for having a bad system. Read back in the thread as I gave very specific reasons why he was banned.

Anyway all this is detracting from what the forum is about. Everyone should say their last piece then move on as I'll lock the thread soon. If you want to continue discussing JLs methods, so be it but please use the relevant threads.

[Turner]

STEVE......I just think a closure on this would be to find other recent names on this forum that had the same IP address as JL (i did ask). It would highlight what his game was...or not and help people decide, who are undecided.
When a hawker sells off the back of a van, he has stooges to buy and show the product. When you get home, you have a brick in your box. Im certain he had stooges (his own creations) to verify his claims.
If Im wrong...I will apologise.

[Skakus]

Once or twice in the past there were member votes to ban Mr J. He was eventually banned and now he’s a Mod all over the place. So much for voting to ban people. 

Can someone investigate whether or not JL was John Gold on VLS?

I could be wrong, but I always thought he was, and I vaguely remember him admitting it. If he was then he should be banned in a heartbeat.

Anyway whether he’s banned or not he has said he won’t come back so let’s move on.

He will probably move on to Victor’s new forum, you know, the one he promised Steve he would never make, then all the JL fans will follow and the new forum will prosper then Victor will sell it to Steve then Steve will ban JL then JL will move on to a new forum, probably Victor’s, then when it grows Steve will buy it and ban JL, ad infinitum. 

[ddarko]

As for him being CEH, the IP address is in the same locality. That means they likely share the same zip code. The same ISP and all. An ISP may have 5000 IP addresses. The chances that you logon with the same ip address as before is remote. But as I recall there was an exact match between fender and CEH previously. But the accounts were deleted long ago and so were the records. Now I just have same isp, same locality.

I just tracked my IP address, the location ?

90 miles from where I live !!!!!!

Even if JL lives in/near Brighton he isn't CEH Steve.......

I'm off to throw a pinch of salt over my shoulder 

[ddarko]

Can someone investigate whether or not JL was John Gold on VLS?

That's an outstanding call Skakus 

Food for thought 

[trebor]

Hi Steve,

You said about posted systems that "virtually none" were winners. That suggests you think at least one is.

Trebor

[Steve]

Turner, these are the facts:

1. CEH and Fender share the same ISP and locality. I recall previously that they did have exact match IP, but I can't find record of this as it was long ago and the accounts were deleted.

2. When Fender's credibility was questioned, a new member (the pilot) emerged and claimed he won something like $80,000 with Fender's system.

Now most people are not silly enough anymore to use fake names with the same IP address. So to hide their IP address, they use PROXIES.

Let's consider the IP addresses of "thepilot":

46.37.160.194 <-- PROXY from UK
174.36.203.90 <-- PROXY from USA

Ok so 100% proxies is a bit suspicious, right? So I confronted him about it. But I only mentioned the USA proxy. He claimed he used the USA proxy so he could watch streaming TV from the USA. Thats BS because watching streaming video via a proxy would be a nightmare.

But hmm ok, well WHAT ABOUT THE UK PROXY? Let me guess... streaming TV from the UK??

Anyway since he'd been caught using proxies, he asked me to look at the other IP addresses, which are:

84.100.85.90
84.103.179.149
84.103.179.55 <--- these IPs lead to sfr.net. That site doesn't exist, and is not part of an ISP. So I found who administrates it, and it leads to sfr.com. That is not the owner though. The name server of this site is 9services.com, and this leads to the company mailclub.fr which is for domain registration. This is not an ISP. It is a web host domain registration company.  SO THE IP ADDRESSES ARE PROXIES, AGAIN.

When he asked me to look at the french IPs, I should have looked deeper. Every IP he used is a proxy.

There are the IPs so people can do their own research. And if after everything if some people still think I'm the bad guy and the JL is an angel telling the truth about his system and fantastic wins and that you should all listen to him...... then it is your own problem.