Should JL be banned?

[Steve]

Skakus, ken was banned because he was causing conflict. He is nothing like a serial offender such as fender.

You said about posted systems that "virtually none" were winners. That suggests you think at least one is.

Yes but we shouldnt get into that here as it isnt relevant at the moment.

Anyway everyone consider the ip research, AND consider what I said about the CEH IPs. Ddarko, work out the odds that Fender and CEH are in the same locality and share same ISP etc. We can go in circles forever. 90 miles is not a long way away and you dont do searches based on whois or you'll just be accurate to the nearest city.

[Steve]

Skakus, looks like John Gold has numerous fake names. I'll get back to you after more research.

[ddarko]

Ddarko, work out the odds that Fender and CEH are in the same locality and share same ISP etc. We can go in circles forever. 90 miles is not a long way away and you don't do searches based on whois or you'll just be accurate to the nearest city.

Who said I did ?

I used =

link:://whatismyipaddress.com/ip-lookup

[Steve]

Skakus, John Gold has IPs in the same locality as CEH. 2 of them are with different ISPs, and 1 of them are with the same ISP. All in the same area except for some wireless network IPs from further north. All in the UK. Given his account raises red flags and other account names share very similar IPs, I dont think John Gold is who he says he is.

[Steve]

darko that would just tell you nearest city, not the actual trace

[Steve]

anyway there is more than enough information to draw reasonable conclusions and people can decide for themselves, check the IPs for themselves or whatever. Its time we get back to things so again everyone say your last bit and I'll lock the thread

[Turner]

Turner, these are the facts:

1. CEH and Fender share the same ISP and locality. I recall previously that they did have exact match IP, but I can't find record of this as it was long ago and the accounts were deleted.

2. When Fender's credibility was questioned, a new member (the pilot) emerged and claimed he won something like $80,000 with Fender's system.

Now most people are not silly enough anymore to use fake names with the same IP address. So to hide their IP address, they use PROXIES.

Let's consider the IP addresses of "thepilot":

46.37.160.194 <-- PROXY from UK
174.36.203.90 <-- PROXY from USA

Ok so 100% proxies is a bit suspicious, right? So I confronted him about it. But I only mentioned the USA proxy. He claimed he used the USA proxy so he could watch streaming TV from the USA. that's BS because watching streaming video via a proxy would be a nightmare.

But hmm ok, well WHAT ABOUT THE UK PROXY? Let me guess... streaming TV from the UK??

Anyway since he'd been caught using proxies, he asked me to look at the other IP addresses, which are:

84.100.85.90
84.103.179.149
84.103.179.55 <--- these IPs lead to sfr.net. That site doesn't exist, and is not part of an ISP. So I found who administrates it, and it leads to sfr.com. That is not the owner though. The name server of this site is 9services.com, and this leads to the company mailclub.fr which is for domain registration. This is not an ISP. It is a web host domain registration company.  SO THE IP ADDRESSES ARE PROXIES, AGAIN.

When he asked me to look at the french IPs, I should have looked deeper. Every IP he used is a proxy.

There are the IPs so people can do their own research. And if after everything if some people still think I'm the bad guy and the JL is an angel telling the truth about his system and fantastic wins and that you should all listen to him...... then it is your own problem.

like you...I really was completly stunned that 8 on one and *****FIVE**** was going tits up so some randomer (pilot) comes in promoting another JL system and everyone was believing it straight up.
Then...surprise surprise.....JL is using pilots new method of pattern breaker and claiming its better.

I sound like Jonathan Creek here (British TV crime solver show) but in fear of the straw that broke the camels back for JL in admitting the last 2 ideas were failing and switching back to pattern breaker again, after he revisited it, he invented a stooge to come in and sing its praises ...completly out of the blue.
When I say I can't believe people could be so gullable...I don't mean they didn't spot what i said above per se...(I work on "its a lie" and work up from there) but can't believe they just believed what pilot said in isolation....even if it didn't occur to them it was a JL scam and hustle.

remember...I said of Pilot announcing his exit... " of course he is...his work is done"

You'll have to get up much earlier than that to catch me out 

Turner

[Steve]

like you...I really was completly stunned that 8 on one and *****FIVE**** was going tits up so some randomer (pilot) comes in promoting another JL system and everyone was believing it straight up.
Then...surprise surprise.....JL is using pilots new method of pattern breaker and claiming its better.

I sound like Jonathan Creek here (British TV crime solver show) but in fear of the straw that broke the camels back for JL in admitting the last 2 ideas were failing and switching back to pattern breaker again, after he revisited it, he invented a stooge to come in and sing its praises ...completly out of the blue.
When I say I can't believe people could be so gullable...I don't mean they didn't spot what i said above per se...(I work on "its a lie" and work up from there) but can't believe they just believed what pilot said in isolation....even if it didn't occur to them it was a JL scam and hustle.

remember...I said of Pilot announcing his exit... " of course he is...his work is done"

You'll have to get up much earlier than that to catch me out

Yes and enough time wasted on this fraud. Thread is locked now so we dont waste more time. Everything is on the table for people to wake up and understand who the bad guy is.