An open message to FlAtMaN

[soggett]

nope, still happens
and now i cant make it happen again

[Stepkevh]

the only error that i found is when your first 2 spins are 0, how possible is that :-)

and one in the first rows, never noticed it, but i gave the same layout as your picture.

Hopefully its solved now :-)

[biagle]

thanks Stef  for your hard work.

How about progression in cycles of 9?

[Robeenhuut]

Wrong,very wrong......do some testings with any outside E/C bets than compare it
with LvF-9---and you maybe notice great difference between these 2 bets.Flats doesn't think that my
bet is more balanced....HE KNOW THAT.......be a real tester then compare all those 34 winning session with any outside E/C bets then you will find out what am I about here.

Comparing your bet with any outside  E/C bet would not accomplish anything in your 34 sessions. If i lost once i would just lose a bet to this guy. I like your  bet but dont buy your claim that any group of 18 numbers repeats more. Are some groups on the wheel more or less random?

[Still]

Comparing your bet with any outside  E/C bet would not accomplish anything in your 34 sessions. If i lost once i would just lose a bet to this guy. I like your  bet but don't buy your claim that any group of 18 numbers repeats more. Are some groups on the wheel more or less random?

Put data up, or shut up.  Stats, charts, anything!  Anything except this constant 'i'm smarter than you are' approach to commentary.  You make it sound like your analysis is coming from a deep well of wisdom.  I say, PRINT the DATA that backs up what you are claiming.  Is E/C better? PRINT IT.  Put up a chart of your way of doing something versus any other way so we can compare.  Supply your charts with 200K data points each...or more.  Let US make the decision whether something is worthy of our time, or HOW we intend to use data.  If not, i say this is just coming from a wise guy.

[vundarosa]

Put data up, or shut up.  Stats, charts, anything!  Anything except this constant 'i'm smarter than you are' approach to commentary.  You make it sound like your analysis is coming from a deep well of wisdom.  I say, PRINT the DATA that backs up what you are claiming.  Is E/C better? PRINT IT.  Put up a chart of your way of doing something versus any other way so we can compare.  Supply your charts with 200K data points each...or more.  Let US make the decision whether something is worthy of our time, or HOW we intend to use data.  If not, i say this is just coming from a wise guy.

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Still, that depends on what level of understanding you are....if i say betting against a dozen appearing 4 times is a recipe for disaster are you really going to ask me for data and charts...? I guess not, because much about this has been done before and NOW its easily recognized as being a disaster....no need for data to prove for it should be common knowledge....this is what RBH seems to be saying....if you understand what he his saying, then you too would realize there's no need for 200K spins of data...

just  a friendly remark

Vundarosa

[Robeenhuut]

Put data up, or shut up.  Stats, charts, anything!  Anything except this constant 'i'm smarter than you are' approach to commentary.  You make it sound like your analysis is coming from a deep well of wisdom.  I say, PRINT the DATA that backs up what you are claiming.  Is E/C better? PRINT IT.  Put up a chart of your way of doing something versus any other way so we can compare.  Supply your charts with 200K data points each...or more.  Let US make the decision whether something is worthy of our time, or HOW we intend to use data.  If not, i say this is just coming from a wise guy.

Still

I will draw a chart for you. Which color would you like?

Regards

[Still]

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Still, that depends on what level of understanding you are....

Thanks vundarosa. 

There is an undercurrent in his comments implying a high priest level of understanding that appears to me to be mostly about brow-beating and showing off magical powers of super cognition thanks to some crystal ball stashed away somewhere in the dark. 

What is it backed up with?  Really? 

if i say betting against a dozen appearing 4 times is a recipe for disaster are you really going to ask me for data and charts...? I guess not, because much about this has been done before and NOW its easily recognized as being a disaster....

So i want to see what kind of disaster it is.  Show me the data and the charts of the disaster.    Then let me decide how i will or won't use the disaster.   Some systems have an interesting way of postponing the inevitable disaster.  I may want to see if i can use that data short-term, if it can't be used long term. 

SHOW how this particular system proposed by F_LAT_INO is the same as betting against a dozen appearing 4 times in a row.  Show how it compares to any other system. 

What does "much about this" mean?  Much about F_LAT_INO? Much about roulette?   

Am i supposed to be amazed with how much Robeenhut knows?  Should i just go away now?  If he knows so much, why doesn't he just go away?  What is he doing here?  Why doesn't he go wherever Garnabby goes whenever he's not here? 

Wow! Look how easy it is for Robeenhut to recognize the F_LAT_INO's ideas are complete disasters!!  It's amazing how he can do that and also LOSE LESS at the same time! 

no need for data to prove for it should be common knowledge....this is what RBH seems to be saying....

He's saying he's smarter than F_LAT_INO and acting like its easy to be smarter than F_LAT_INO...and doesn't have time to actually post any kind of data relative to what's being proposed.   Why?  Because F_LAT_INO is so silly that it's a waste of Robeenhut's time to back up anything he is saying with any kind of data? 

if you understand what he his saying, then you too would realize there's no need for 200K spins of data...

just  a friendly remark

Vundarosa

Robeenhut has for a long time said that all you can really do is LOSE LESS when you lose.   He should just say that, over and over again, instead of acting like he has analyzed the system at hand and come to a negative conclusion.  If he has analyzed it, SHOW THE DATA. If he does not use data, HOW does he do his analysis?  If math equations, show the equations.  If he has not analyzed it, then why comment?  He should just repeat the generic argument that you can only LOSE LESS.

I recommend either to make the generic argument over and over....or actually address the details of the system in question in the only terms that matter - data and charts - other than esoteric math equations.

The alternative is to troll for reactions. 

Still

[vundarosa]

Show how it compares to any other system. 
 

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do you believe it is diferent than follow the last EC? Why so or why not?

vundarosa

[Still]

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do you believe it is diferent than follow the last EC? Why so or why not?

vundarosa

I just don't appreciate the type of analysis that stands back and makes authoritative statements about whether it is a bird, or a plane, or whether it is able to jump tall buildings.  It sounds like ladies gossiping to me...as they sit to play bingo at the local church.  By the time they are done gossiping about whatever it was, opportunity has passed by.  For the time it takes to gossip about whether it is the same or different than some other system that is known not to work, 200K of spins or more could have been generated to *prove something*. 

All systems are the same if you see them all as subject to the same number of zeros on the wheel.  If that is the extent of Robeenhut's analysis, he should just say so.  If the objective is to LOSE LESS, then these kinds of comparisons strike me as drunken, and not at all scientific.

They are not the same.  One system will produce a signature when the data is graphed.  The other system will produce another kind of signature.  One may lose less than the other.  Fine.  I want to see the characteristics of one system compared to another to see if there is anything in the data i might be able to use short or long term.  I will decide what to do with the data.  I don't need a high priest constantly standing between me and the data, expecting me to believe that wine is blood.

What is common knowledge? F_LAT_INO has been at this a lot longer than Robeenhut, works harder at improving his game, and subsists entirely on proceeds from his systems while Robeenhut does not.  What do we know?  We know that Robeenhut is trivializing F_LAT_INO's efforts, and wants us to believe that he can run mental circles around the numbers involved, unlike the rest of us mortal muggles.


Just some observations,
Still

 

 

[Robeenhuut]

I just don't appreciate the type of analysis that stands back and makes authoritative statements about whether it is a bird, or a plane, or whether it is able to jump tall buildings.  It sounds like ladies gossiping to me...as they sit to play bingo at the local church.  By the time they are done gossiping about whatever it was, opportunity has passed by.  For the time it takes to gossip about whether it is the same or different than some other system that is known not to work, 200K of spins or more could have been generated to *prove something*. 

All systems are the same if you see them all as subject to the same number of zeros on the wheel.  If that is the extent of Robeenhut's analysis, he should just say so.  If the objective is to LOSE LESS, then these kinds of comparisons strike me as drunken, and not at all scientific.

They are not the same.  One system will produce a signature when the data is graphed.  The other system will produce another kind of signature.  One may lose less than the other.  Fine.  I want to see the characteristics of one system compared to another to see if there is anything in the data i might be able to use short or long term.  I will decide what to do with the data.  I don't need a high priest constantly standing between me and the data, expecting me to believe that wine is blood.

What is common knowledge? F_LAT_INO has been at this a lot longer than Robeenhut, works harder at improving his game, and subsists entirely on proceeds from his systems while Robeenhut does not.  What do we know?  We know that Robeenhut is trivializing F_LAT_INO's efforts, and wants us to believe that he can run mental circles around the numbers involved, unlike the rest of us mortal muggles.


Just some observations,
Still

 

Typical of you Still. Vundarosa asked you simple question and you again go on your tirade against me wanting to lose less and failing to produce data or charts. I would consider it  a waste of time in your case. You would not get it anyway. Learn some basics and statistics on your own. 

[Robeenhuut]

Thanks vundarosa. 

There is an undercurrent in his comments implying a high priest level of understanding that appears to me to be mostly about brow-beating and showing off magical powers of super cognition thanks to some crystal ball stashed away somewhere in the dark. 

What is it backed up with?  Really? 


So i want to see what kind of disaster it is.  Show me the data and the charts of the disaster.    Then let me decide how i will or won't use the disaster.   Some systems have an interesting way of postponing the inevitable disaster.  I may want to see if i can use that data short-term, if it can't be used long term. 

SHOW how this particular system proposed by F_LAT_INO is the same as betting against a dozen appearing 4 times in a row.  Show how it compares to any other system. 

What does "much about this" mean?  Much about F_LAT_INO? Much about roulette?   

Am i supposed to be amazed with how much Robeenhut knows?  Should i just go away now?  If he knows so much, why doesn't he just go away?  What is he doing here?  Why doesn't he go wherever Garnabby goes whenever he's not here? 

Wow! Look how easy it is for Robeenhut to recognize the F_LAT_INO's ideas are complete disasters!! It's amazing how he can do that and also LOSE LESS at the same time! 

He's saying he's smarter than F_LAT_INO and acting like its easy to be smarter than F_LAT_INO...and doesn't have time to actually post any kind of data relative to what's being proposed.   Why?  Because F_LAT_INO is so silly that it's a waste of Robeenhut's time to back up anything he is saying with any kind of data? 

Robeenhut has for a long time said that all you can really do is LOSE LESS when you lose.   He should just say that, over and over again, instead of acting like he has analyzed the system at hand and come to a negative conclusion.  If he has analyzed it, SHOW THE DATA. If he does not use data, HOW does he do his analysis?  If math equations, show the equations.  If he has not analyzed it, then why comment?  He should just repeat the generic argument that you can only LOSE LESS.

I recommend either to make the generic argument over and over....or actually address the details of the system in question in the only terms that matter - data and charts - other than esoteric math equations.

The alternative is to troll for reactions.

Still

I won't comment on your level of understanding of my and Vundarosa posts. Just show me kindly where i posted that Flat's ideas are complete disasters and what is the relevance of Garnabby's whereabouts  And calm down.

[TwoCatSam]

Where is FlAtMaN???

All I ever wanted was to know the honest-to-God right way to test his system.  Now I want the sheets he took down. 

Put up the sheets, FlAtMaN!

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

OK, gentlemen

Perhaps FlAtMaN cannot log on again.  He's hot at me, so he has not emailed me to that effect.

I've worked too dang hard to learn this system to let it go.

@Stef

Is the last post of the tracker accurate?  I don't want to be using a faulty one.

@All

If we don't hear from FlAtMaN soon, I will begin testing his system own my own.  I will download spins from Spielbank, table 2 every day beginning as soon as I can free myself from holiday activities.  Table 2 seems to be what everyone uses.

I will start a thread under testing and go from there.  I'd rather have FlAtMaN on board, but let's press ahead anyway.

Sam

[tonynewlife]

Hey guys there is one thing that was not very clear to me about flat's system.  I', talking about the formula he uses whenever he lowers his bet after a win (he said he does this calculation in his mind).  Could somebody please provide me with a clear example of how to use it?

by the way my visual basic tracker is almost completed, I will share when ready.

thanks in advance!

Tony