Sugar ray method

[Wally Gator]

2 things:


1.  My testing shows you may find a level of success with this as a flat bet (patience required, but less than 300 spins in a session).
2.  Is it possible for this to be successful as a reverse bet?

[buffalowizard]

2 things:


1.  My testing shows you may find a level of success with this as a flat bet (patience required, but less than 300 spins in a session).
2.  Is it possible for this to be successful as a reverse bet?

Hi wally

Thanks for testing - I'm sure you're right about flat betting, I have had some seriously long streaks with this. I'd probably be a bit more aggressive in real play due to time but a good shout nonetheless.

Reversing is interesting me already and I will look into it as a one dozen bet, so bet for a repeat within a 6 block?

Cheers

[rayhd63]

......here's the tracker with comparison of progression and flat betting.

Ray

[buffalowizard]

Much appreciated Ray!

[buffalowizard]

Still going with this one guys - still holding strong

Latest 1500+ spin test

9 losses.   -234
279 wins.  +279

+45

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Running total=

Spins 8236
Wins 1367
Losses 37

Profit +404

BW

[trebor]

buffalowizard,

From your experience, if you were playing this for real, what kind of bank do you think would be needed?

Trebor

[buffalowizard]

buffalowizard,

From your experience, if you were playing this for real, what kind of bank do you think would be needed?

Trebor

Well Trebor, let me put it this way...I test using 98 spin sessions.


In all these sessions, only I think twice have their been 2 losses within 98 spins. This equals -52
However, even this total is diminished by the 14 wins, so in reality that is -38


Within 98 spin cycle, there are quite a few 15/1 ratios and lots of 16/0 ratios. Everything adds to 16, because there are 16x6 blocks in a 98 spin cycle.


So basically a 100 unit bank would be adequate to play with. Also, if you can get on a no zero wheel then this method is even tighter.


BW

[Wally Gator]

Hi wally

Thanks for testing - I'm sure you're right about flat betting, I have had some seriously long streaks with this. I'd probably be a bit more aggressive in real play due to time but a good shout nonetheless.

Reversing is interesting me already and I will look into it as a one dozen bet, so bet for a repeat within a 6 block?

Cheers

I don't say too much or very often, but I can tell you that you've got something here.  I think there may be a combination punch using this .... more to follow in about a week.

[rouletteKEY]

Buff,
Did a little testing and it seemed almost everytime it lost there was some ugly green number involved. (couple exceptions but a large percentage of lost overall bets had a 0/00 involved)

After losing to a 0 or 00 I simply stopped the bet in it's track (so if I lost the first bet of the line I just let the wheel spin and started 5 spins later...the 4 spins rounding out the session and the first spin to start tracking the next line of bets)

Started over on the next set of six with double the bets and everything seemed to smooth right out.

Obviously over larger amounts of testing that progression may come back and bite me a bit...but something to look at all the same.  Not sure how some will feel when the 0/00 hits on the second dozen and you start the next session at $54 per dozen...maybe progression work would have to be factored in when a session is broken off and re-started mid-stream.  All the same...nearly all complete losses involved 0/00 on my testing (real American wheel testing)

Maybe... as I think this thru while typing I might be inclined to just abandon the bet when the 0/00 hits and start over on the next set of 6.  If it happens on the first spin it only costs me 2 units and after the second it only costs 8.  Obviously if it happens on the third we've already gone down in flames for 26 units and the point is moot.

[rayhd63]

.......here is a version with zero correction and manually change the progression level if needed....

Even then , it still looks nice 

Ray

[buffalowizard]

Hi rouletteKEY

I feel for you in America where you have 2 zeros and no other option. I can totally see how they can disrupt this. Your ideas are spot on and perhaps covering it a little each time as a safety measure?
If not then the extra progression may be necessary.
Thanks for testing though and your reports are most welcome
BW

[buffalowizard]

.......here is a version with zero correction and manually change the progression level if needed....

Even then , it still looks nice 

Ray

That's great Ray,
Hopefully we can get a few more testers aboard. Looking forward to wally's findings

[GLC]

Alright, I just tested 70 spins on a single zero wheel.

Now I see that all we're doing is betting against repeats but we skip a spin.  That means we bet the the even number spins don't repeat the odd number spin just before it.  How can this win?

Oh yeah.  I won 23 units in my 70 spins.  I guess that's how it can win.  Go figure.

I had 9 even numbers that didn't match the previous odd number.

I had to bet 9-9 four times but they all won.

If I had only bet 1-1;3-3, I would have ended at -9 so that's not so good.

If I had flat bet I would have broken even.

So, flat bet = +0
1-1; 3-3 = -9
1-1; 3-3; 9-9 = +23
If I had lost 1 of the 4 times I had to bet 9-9, I would have finished -4.

Here's BW's record

Running total=

Spins 8236  @  60 spins per hour = 137 hours of play at a fast game

Wins 1367  = 10 wins per hour

Losses 37 =  .27 losses per hour or a loss every 3.7 hours

36.9 wins for every loss

Profit +404  = 2.9 units per hour

I'm not being negative about this at all BW.  On the contrary it looks very good. 

After so many hours of play, to be winning 2.9 units per hour is phenominal. 

If this were the end of the story it's game, set, match!

GLC

P.S.  By the way, would you please delete my previous posts.  They may work, but I don't think they add much to the system.

[buffalowizard]

GLC

Posts deleted as requested. Thanks for doing a bit of testing with this idea. I don't know why but this is proving a tough but to crack. Been here before though and just waiting for the inevitable slide.

It's great you extracted even further into my current results and no doubt I will continue on. If you get a chance then some more testing would beach appreciated

Thankyou
BW

[buffalowizard]

Just done another 98 spin test. 16 wins to 0 losses
I have included where in the 6 block the wins came

1 2 +1
2 1
2 3

3 3
1 1
1 3 +2

2 2
1 1
3 1 +3

2 1 +4
1 3
3 3

3 3
2 2
2 3 +5

1 2 +6
1 3
2 2

3 1 +7
1 2
3 3

1 2 +8
3 1
1 3

1 3 +9
2 1
2 3

2 1 +10
2 2
1 3

2 2
3 2 +11
3 1

1 3 +12
3 1
3 2

1 1
2 2
2 1 +13

1 3 +14
3 2
2 3

1 1
1 2 +15
1 2

3 1 +16
3 1
3 3