An apology to Stef, soggett and trebor

[speed]

Is anyone was left in the whole world who still believe this FlAtMaN/Vile/Flatino ... ?

[FlAtMaN]

Is anyone was left in the whole world who still believe this FlAtMaN/Vile/F_LAT_INO ... ?

I'm glad you do......how much dough did you lose with my lies.....must be a lot overthere where you live where casinos don't exists.Know many like you are here,that only pop up now and again to fire theirs empty words......and that don't know how casinos look like.

[soggett]

Guys

My hat is off to all three of you, especially Stef.  I am the one who pushed to test the various 9 v 9 ideas and I feel directly responsible for causing each one of you misery. 

trebor and soggett--you understood it when I could not and you both explained it to me. 

Stef

I encouraged you to write the tracker back after you wrote the first one.  You see, I truly believed in FlAtMaN and I though we were all doing something worthwhile. Your tracker is spot on according to my video which soggett approved after FlAtMaN told him "you got it".  soggett and trebor were right; the video was right; your tracker is beautiful--it's just that we were sold a basket of rotten apples.

We live and learn.

Sam

You dont have to apologise to me for anything Sam, we are good 
Watched the video, you did everything right

Wasn't much on the forum the last couple of days so I am out of the loop to whats going on
I see the tracker does the progression right too?
got to download the new version I suppose

[speed]

how much dough did you lose with my lies.....

0.00 euro

and that don+t know how casinos look like

I once saw casino in the movie   

[FlAtMaN]

Here and see some more movies....gentleman you are talking too at casino trips all over the globe.

Oh may forgot Monte Carlo

[Steve]

we were sold a basket of rotten apples.

Well JL has spread nonsense and lied about his systems more than anyone else on the roulette forums, and even creates fake accounts to support his lies and lead people on. He has been doing this for YEARS.

.... and when I banned him yet again, some members think I'm the bad guy. And these people still believe and follow JL. Does anyone else find this amazing?

You should be appreciating proper moderation, instead of having a runaway forum that is more active, but loaded with BS from a sick person.

As admin I need to allow free speech, but the limit is allowing a sick person to constantly lie and deliberately mislead people. Perhaps some of you don't remember or know what fender has been doing for the past few years... I see again his latest system is being revealed for what it is on the other forum. Soon its time to change accounts again.

I don't know anything about flatman's systems so I'm not in position to judge, but JL is a different story.

To the people that still follow JL, you are going to learn banning him was the right thing to do, but not before you waste loads of time feeding his addiction to attention.

ps - flatman, doing some travel and having photos is not proof of anything. People should base opinions solely on testing, don't you agree?

[Steve]

I'm curious, what do people think the better option is:

1. Allowing free and open discussion, because like we're all gentlemen. We'll tolerate fake usernames and blatant lies, deception... and we'll be all nice about it, because you know it makes an active forum.

or

2. Allowing free and open discussion with moderation to prevent fake accounts and blatant deception.

I wonder...

[FlAtMaN]

Agreed mr.Steve,but not completely.
But don't agree that some freak minds are turning around methods I post,inventing new rules that
are not matching mine,then creating theatre and much ado about matter...furtermore I never ever
mentioned any hg nor did I tray to sell anything/even thought there were guys that offered me that,which I refused/----and how can one agree when this Speed indirectly call me a layer,and all
these poison arrows spread towards me as if I SCAM somebody and now they ask theirs money back.
I only post my original ideas as a basic bet,give em some food for thought....but it is not my fault if they don't grasp what am I about,as most are just amateurs.That's all.

[Ralph]

Is this picture old once? It looks very much a guy I meet on Krk about 30 years ago, The lady looks familiar too.

[Steve]

flatman, unfortunately I know nothing about your systems. I also am not aware of what claims you had main pertaining to your systems. so I'm not in position to judge

I'll just say I'm all for sharing and discussing, but everyone needs to be open and honest to others and themselves about their systems etc. But in saying that, of course people like JL etc will keep doing what they do. Such people will always exist. The real problem is people allowing themselves to be deceived.

people also need to understand +70 units in a year is NOTHING... N O T H I N G.

It is fact, not opinion, that any method needs proper testing before you can say it wins.

I recall one gambler who lost a fortune over 2 years. Then in just 2 months he made a small part of it back and was banned. Many people thought his system worked. Even media, and it was a great story. But people focused on the 2 months rather than the 2 years. And many people rushed to buy his book, but only found his system was a strong BS progression that lost, and that the player only had a winning streak over 2 months. And a losing streak over 2 years. SO EVERYONE NEEDS TO PUT THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE AND UNDERSTAND A GENUINE LONG TERM WINNING SYSTEM MEANS IT WINS IN THE LONG TERM. ANY SYSTEM, EVEN BETTING ONLY BLACK, CAN WIN OVER 10,000 OR MORE SPINS. IT doesn't MEAN YOU CAN MAKE A LIVING FROM IT. THERE ARE ALWAYS WINNERS AND LOSERS. AND OVERALL, THE CASINO TAKES A BIT MORE THAN WHAT THEY PAY BACK. that's THE HOUSE EDGE.

flatman it is not directed at you - it is for everyone. again I know nothing about your systems

[Skakus]

Hey flatman,

Whether your system works or not, played your way or not, I will say thank you for sharing your hard work and knowledge with the forum.

The thing to remember when posting systems on public forums is that once they are shared they become public property, and the public can and will do what they want with it.

Inevitably the Improvement Squad will change rules, add progressions, invent variations, etc. Don’t be offended or disappointed by this because it’s all part of the creative process we all need to go through to satisfy our interest in roulette.

Just be content to post your system and let people fix it or mess it up as they see fit.

Cheers to all. 

[speed]

Steve, I suppose you know that Flatman is Flatino and Vile and probably have some more names here.
He is for most of his systems claimed that they are constant winners, and later when people see the opposite and say to him, he called them like in this case bunch of frustruated freaks. JL had never used this language.

If by some rules JL deserved ban, then Flatino can not be an isolated case, in other words if is rules to not ban Flatino then is same for JL.
And his systems are nothing better than JL systems, both cant survive first 15000 bet spins even is deviation (luck) in favor of the system.

[Turner]

Steve, I suppose you know that Flatman is F_LAT_INO and Vile and probably have some more names here.
He is for most of his systems claimed that they are constant winners, and later when people see the opposite and say to him, he called them like in this case bunch of frustruated freaks. JL had never used this language.

If by some rules JL deserved ban, then F_LAT_INO can not be an isolated case, in other words if is rules to not ban F_LAT_INO then is same for JL.
And his systems are nothing better than JL systems, both can't survive first 15000 bet spins even is deviation (luck) in favor of the system.

Well it was an improvement on threatening to have people shot. Which still sits on this forum for all to read.

Turner

[Turner]

Well it was an improvement on threatening to have people shot.
Turner

Still there for all to read by the way Steve....reply#11

[Skakus]

You mean this>>>

--Bravo......hope you get my years...with your insulting behaviour you surely won't.
--In my country they shoot people.like you........and if you told me this in my face you would
be gone you jerk.