An apology to Stef, soggett and trebor

[iggiv]

there are some provocateurs here which do it by purpose. That's their virtual life, that's their "battle". Trolling. To turn this forum into a nest of snakes. That's a problem. When there is an argument of opinions they try making it PERSONAL. And there are other people which get into their traps.

I know what to do about it. But Steve can see the things different way sometimes. It is his forum, so everybody has to respect his policy even that does not agree with it sometimes. Overall the forum is run well.
The trolls can't do much damage here. This conflict will be over soon. So take it easy bud.

[TwoCatSam]

To answer the music man and iggiv

Why do I dwell on this?  Because I believed FLAT, pure and simple.  I totally believed he took those trots from ten members and won with them.  I will not give up on his idea as of yet as I see some merit in the L v F system.

I will give up when I am convinced it is a total loser.  And, three other guys--especially Stef--worked to help me.  Might as well make some use of their work.

Sam

[iggiv]

the method could work with him but may not work with u. that's usual

[Turner]

To answer the music man and iggiv

Why do I dwell on this?  Because I believed FLAT, pure and simple.  I totally believed he took those trots from ten members and won with them.  I will not give up on his idea as of yet as I see some merit in the L v F system.

I will give up when I am convinced it is a total loser.  And, three other guys--especially Stef--worked to help me.  Might as well make some use of their work.

Sam

Well its positive Sam, to try and bring this whole mess back to what this forum should be about.
Roulette.

You may find something in this idea after all which...as I said, would be a positive from all this mess.

Turner

[speed]

speed, i know well that u troll want to involve me into your wars  and provoke into something bad as well, but u better watch yourself. u yourself is nothing useful for this forum but rather a troll provocateur. i am going to moderate this forum the way i do and can't care less about u. Is it  clear?

Your message was deleted because there was an offending quote which u liked very much and wanted to show to the world over and over and over again. And now You can't help yourself but keep kicking a dead elephant. Flat is not here anymore, but u try keeping your war with him going on and on. Normal person would already leave him alone, he can't even answer u anymore. It's over.

in my mod's opinion i am here to stop conflicts. You can dream that u will provoke me to be banned for this. Honestly  i don't care. Even if Steve decides to ban me instead of u and make u a mod here, it won't be a tragedy of my life. I like this forum but it is not a such a big part of my life, be u here or not.

I can give u one good advice though, Speed. Instead of trolling in this forum u better go here:
ompersonal.com.ar . And improve your poor English. This least You can do. That's a very good English learning website. I gave this address to many people in need. Your pidgin English drives me crazy sometimes. And i got used to your trolling. If Steve thinks it is good for the forum it is up to him, i am OK with it.

funny as always..

I think it is a great success for the forum that we have revealed these two liars, some are still here, but let this ban be a warning to them that this forum is something different from what they thought. I hope, that they will no longer disturb as.

Yes now we need to turn to this game which we all like and try to win in any way in any way.

speed

[iggiv]

funny is your language, Speed. It is a pity u don't work on it. You can't reveal a liar, You can reveal a lie or truth. You expose a liar. "Disturb as" does not mean "disturb my a**" does it? Disturb us.

Don't try to pretend being smarter than the others  and be so arrogant without this simple  ability to express yourself correctly.

[speed]

I'm tired to reply on your obsessed psychological comments (this is last one) , find another cure for your nerves , leave me and my English alone or go with your banned friends. bye

[iggiv]

Speed, u start with me first then ask me to leave u alone? Man i try  avoid u like the plague. But then u come over to me with your illiterate remarks first, threatening to ban me from the forum and ask me to leave u alone when u get a proper reply? Stay alone. Don't start your illiterate trolling and everybody will be happy. Maybe except u.

[Still]

Yes now we need to turn to this game which we all like and try to win in any way in any way.

speed

Speed,

Ok, why not continue with your thread where you discuss how you came out ahead after almost a million spins.   You could discuss the method you used to obtain that result.  Some of us might be willing to help make it playable, if it is not already. 

Still

[iggiv]

Still it can't become playable since it is based on a classical gambler fallacy. It's a dead end, bud.
the only thing can be done about is changing it into tracking trends like some other guys do.
Betting on cold does not work. It can look good on graphs though.

[Turner]

Speed,

Ok, why not continue with your thread where you discuss how you came out ahead after almost a million spins.   You could discuss the method you used to obtain that result.  Some of us might be willing to help make it playable, if it is not already. 

Still

I would tune into that....would be an interesting topic.

[Still]

Still it can't become playable since it is based on a classical gambler fallacy. It's a dead end, bud.
the only thing can be done about is changing it into tracking trends like some other guys do.
Betting on cold does not work. It can look good on graphs though.

iggiv-i'm not aware speed has disclosed the method.  Is that in the public domain?

Anyway, it was an impressive # of spins.  I felt that stock market tracking methods could be used to handle the drawdowns, and even reverse direction.  This is assuming the original does actually hold up to a million spins.  I feel that if something is going up, no matter how slowly, it can be managed. 

[iggiv]

Still, he did disclose the basic principles. The basic principle is to watch for a certain level of deviation, then bet that this deviation will go in another direction. Other words, if u see certain BIG amount
of red out of the last amount of spins, bet on black. Something of a kind.

When u bet millions of spins and get downdraws like 20 K it does  look impressive on a paper. U think that generally the graphs goes up and up, what is 20K when u go up by million overall? This all is just another example of classical gambler fallacy well known for casinos.  And it is not the first time when someone gets such graphs, it happened in the old VLS forum before. Guys like that are very welcome by the house when they have enough money to spend. Even transportation to Vegas or Atlantic City  can be ready if u want.

Ideally if You have millions in your pocket (as much as casino has) and casino has no limits on the table, You can empty those casinos. But in real life there are too many "buts".

if u want something which has more merit than this,  try to change this deviation thing in the opposite direction. Watch when the deviation changes, watch for a trend like this. lets say u got lots of red, then u see black coming. Bet on black. Try this instead.


Lee Tutor recommends this one. don't bet on cold he says till it woke up.

[Still]

if u want something which has more merit than this,  try to change this deviation thing in the opposite direction. Watch when the deviation changes, watch for a trend like this. lets say u got lots of red, then u see black coming. Bet on black. Try this instead.


Lee Tutor recommends this one. don't bet on cold he says till it woke up.

Ok, thanks. 

I'm wondering how speed's method differs from that of ego and/or alberjonas' approach.  My understanding is they do wait till the deviation starts to turn back around, and even then, not many bets are made.  So the number of spins spent waiting might make it unplayable.  But a 20K drawdown is, imo, manageable/reducable  if you just put something on it like a moving average and work on following the trend, possibly even following the trend down...if the signature of the data (a fairly steady direction) permits.  Imo, a moving average would only work if the over all trend is up, and best when only taking crossovers in the direction of the trend.  But depending on the signature of the date, maybe possible to go both ways. 

[iggiv]

u answered your question (how they differ) yourself already.

as for 20 k downdraw, it is not manageable. Don't full yourself. Gambler fallacy is well known and not manageable. If it was, casinos would be out of the business. Because thousands and thousands people have tried it and still keep trying.