What can we learn from the "FlatMaN Fiasco"?

[TwoCatSam]

Gentlemen and Others............

I've always been a soul to look at a losing situation and try to learn from it.  Otherwise, it's a total loss.  So what, if anything, can we learn from this experience?  I will tell you what I've learned and hopefully some will add to it.

1.  If you obfuscate your rules to the point no one can understand them, no one can really know what's going on and no one can tell if you're winning or losing.

2.  If someone tries to explain the rules in a more understandable fashion, the author can merely ignore the poster and carry on with the obfuscation.  To actually say, "No, that's wrong" and tell why would ruin the obfuscation.  Or to say, "Yes, that's right" would mean people could check the author's work and see if it was right or wrong.  Ignoring the explainer is the only option.  I am sure those of you with fair minds will know that is exactly what happpened.  FlAtMaN could have viewed my video and said it was right or wrong.  He could have downloaded Stef's tracker and said if it was right or wrong.  Is there one among you who wonders why he did not do this?  I mean--let's step into the real world for a moment.  If you had a winning system, wouldn't you do everything in your power to aid the testers to prove your point?

3.  On the positive side, I see some value in this "flip-flop" idea.  I see a lot of value in that when the flip loses, it becomes the trigger for the flop.  In this way one is "going with the flow" so to speak.  I also see value in the progression used, although I think that is quite old--maybe three years.

So what do I do with this knowledge learned the hard way??  In the future, when I see obfuscation of the rules and no attempt to clear up that obfuscation, I will know the author is hiding something.  Many, many of you I have asked for clarification.  Always I get just what I asked for until this fiasco.  Recently with Bwiz.  When people state clearly what they are doing, they have nothing to hide.  Obfuscation and confusion are methods of hiding something.  Look at politicians!  They'll talk all day and never say anything!

People, I have to tell you--this was a let down for me!  I honestly thought we were onto something good.  It has taken the wind from my sails for a while and has driven me back to the back-a-rat table.

I'd love some comments!

Samster

[FlAtMaN]

It is ridiculous that I have to deffend my honesty and sincerity to anybody let alone you,Sam.

Here are rules again clearly posted earlier,and  I CAN'T HELP YOU ANY MORE.
If you had readed it closely and learned rules nobody wouldn't watch this scenario
let alone me.All these threads of yours about flatmans are all with same intention to discredit me.

I even offered you a challenge of 200.000 euros against yours 100.000 euros
that all Wiesbaden sessions OVER 300 SPINS/not 250 as you presented how the method lost/
that I will double money inwested on all sessions from 01.01.2012....but somebody deleted my thread,
and the challege still stays.

btw--there is only 1 typo error in the rules;same happens with repeaters with last 9...should stay;
while you win on repeaters on last 9

Read the rules propely without rum&cola.

[FlAtMaN]

Gentlemen and Others............

I've always been a soul to look at a losing situation and try to learn from it.  Otherwise, it's a total loss.  So what, if anything, can we learn from this experience?  I will tell you what I've learned and hopefully some will add to it.

1.  If you obfuscate your rules to the point no one can understand them, no one can really know what's going on and no one can tell if you're winning or losing.

2.  If someone tries to explain the rules in a more understandable fashion, the author can merely ignore the poster and carry on with the obfuscation.  To actually say, "No, that's wrong" and tell why would ruin the obfuscation.  Or to say, "Yes, that's right" would mean people could check the author's work and see if it was right or wrong.  Ignoring the explainer is the only option.  I am sure those of you with fair minds will know that is exactly what happpened.  FlAtMaN could have viewed my video and said it was right or wrong.  He could have downloaded Stef's tracker and said if it was right or wrong.  Is there one among you who wonders why he did not do this?  I mean--let's step into the real world for a moment.  If you had a winning system, wouldn't you do everything in your power to aid the testers to prove your point?and that is exactly what I did in my first thread LvF-9......REREAD IT AGAIN....You forgeting things that is your biggest problem

3.  On the positive side, I see some value in this "flip-flop" idea.  I see a lot of value in that when the flip loses, it becomes the trigger for the flop.  In this way one is "going with the flow" so to speak.  I also see value in the progression used, although I think that is quite old--maybe three years.

So what do I do with this knowledge learned the hard way??  In the future, when I see obfuscation of the rules and no attempt to clear up that obfuscation, I will know the author is hiding something.  Many, many of you I have asked for clarification.  Always I get just what I asked for until this fiasco.  Recently with Bwiz.  When people state clearly what they are doing, they have nothing to hide.  Obfuscation and confusion are methods of hiding something.  Look at politicians!  They'll talk all day and never say anything!

People, I have to tell you--this was a let down for me!  I honestly thought we were onto something good.  It has taken the wind from my sails for a while and has driven me back to the back-a-rat table.

I'd love some comments!

Samster

[FlAtMaN]

Am now doing tests with Steps tracker,and just watch every day results and wake up.

[TwoCatSam]

It is ridiculous that I have to deffend my honesty and sincerity to anybody let alone you,Sam.

Here are rules again clearly posted earlier,and  I CAN'T HELP YOU ANY MORE.
If you had readed it closely and learned rules nobody wouldn't watch this scenario
let alone me.All these threads of yours about flatmans are all with same intention to discredit me.

I even offered you a challenge of 200.000 euros against yours 100.000 euros
that all Wiesbaden sessions OVER 300 SPINS/not 250 as you presented how the method lost/
that I will double money inwested on all sessions from 01.01.2012....but somebody deleted my thread,
and the challege still stays.

by the way--there is only 1 typo error in the rules;same happens with repeaters with last 9...should stay;
while you win on repeaters on last 9

Read the rules propely without rum&cola.

So you attach the rules and then say the rules are wrong; there is a typo.  That, Dear Sir, is obfuscation!

[FlAtMaN]

You can now see how honest I'm.as told you that,as you wouldn't notice that any how.

Reading my excels you should have learned something.

You better go back to drawing board and stop posting this oblivating/your word/threads
as people are getting sick of that.....by tonight  i will be gone from here as am really getting
sick of your comments.

Don't make a fool of yourself any longer,that is my advice to you Sir.


And btw--this FLATMANS FIASCO--won 18.ooo euros for me,and my Austrian friend/who actually ordered 30 winning session of LvF-9- TESTED WITH TRACKERS/won 270.000 euros in 6 days playing
there,on arranged and settled rules of personal limits.....and his limits there are 2 mill.euros.

I know you doubt this.....but I could give you his email/actually I got his permission,as he reads this forum now and again/and tomorrow morning am off to his place so you can even talk to me and
will give you some advice,after all am older then you are.

[TwoCatSam]

LvF-9- TESTED WITH TRACKERS

Ah, so there has been a tracker all along and you've been holding out on us!  Why?  Why would an honest man do that?

Go ahead, leave the forum.  I'm offering 100 units to anyone who can decipher your code.  I'll bet there is no one on this or any forum that can create a written system that will duplicate your results.

We have an expression, rarely used, that fits you.  My friend, you are HOIST ON YOUR OWN PETARD!

Loosely translated:  Caught in your own trap.

I can't wait!!

Sam

[FlAtMaN]

LvF-9- TESTED WITH TRACKERS

Ah, so there has been a tracker all along and you've been holding out on us!  Why?  Why would an honest man do that?Jesus man,reread my thread again,LvF-9---where I POSTED THAT AM LOOKING FOR TEACKERS,AND THE REASON WHY.one more proff that you are not closely following things.And we didn't play with trackers but with spreadsheets,as first 2 days I was teaching him on his home roulettewe would do about 6 winning session each day and when he mastered it we went to play.

Go ahead, leave the forum.  I'm offering 100 units to anyone who can decipher your code.  I'll bet there is no one on this or any forum that can create a written system that will duplicate your results.Didn't I just post yesterday results with Stephs tracker.

We have an expression, rarely used, that fits you.  My friend, you are HOIST ON YOUR OWN PETARD!

Loosely translated:  Caught in your own trap.As said earlier Sam,am getting sick of
your sanile comments...and reread all my posts in the thread,then you might get somewhere.And you know what here ppl say;DON'T THROW PEARLS TO THE PIGS.....

I can't wait!!

Sam

[rayhd63]

Am now doing tests with Steps tracker,and just watch every day results and wake up.

...check this one out !!!  Wiesbaden 24.Nov.2012

If these come... what then !!!

These come more often then you can imagine....

Ray

[FlAtMaN]

...check this one out !!!  Wiesbaden 24.Nov.2012

If these come... what then !!!

These come more often then you can imagine....

Ray

Frstly you must do another thing before posting anything.....that is not a table in Wiesbaden nor live
dealer..there are only 7 tables there...that could be airball machine,but not live dealer table-..
translate and find out.

[Tamino]

Sam,

Your salutation:

Gentlemen and Others...........

I am wondering whom do you mean by others and only one word comes to my mind:


Scroundels ?




N.D

[Turner]

Frstly you must do another thing before posting anything.....that is not a table in Wiesbaden nor live
dealer..there are only 7 tables there...that could be airball machine,but not live dealer table-..
translate and find out.

Rahyd63

only tables with the suffix TB are airball. There are 4 here, Tisch 2,3,4,5,6,7 etc are live dealer

link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=82&view=archiv

[TwoCatSam]

N.D.

That's a good word! 

Ray

Even if FLATman (geez I hated that alternate capitalization!) is gone, I will continue to test a few sessions.  I will follow the rules as laid out.

There is always the possibility he really has something and just can't explain it.  Thus my 100 unit offer.

Sam

[Robeenhuut]

Flat

So only live roulette results count?  How come that you started playing it on air ball and its ok now to play on RNG and the guys can only test it on live wheel. I tested it on air ball too and had 2 loses in 22 sessions. It all just doesn't make any sense to me.

[iggiv]

link:://spacealiens.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/aliens.jpg

Sam,

Your salutation:

Gentlemen and Others...........

I am wondering whom do you mean by others and only one word comes to my mind:


Scroundels ?




N.D