An offer of real money!

[TwoCatSam]

I will paypal the first person who explains FlAtMaN's rules in clear, repeatable English 100 units of their currency.  Here are the rules:

1.  It can not be the same as Stef's tracker.  I have already determined that He Himself will not abide by those results.
2.  It must get the same results as ALL of the Excels that FlAtMaN posted in my thread called "My Best Guess.....etc".  (That thread is now locked so he can not delete them.  I have them on my computer anyway.)
3.  Before I began testing, I will make a video using your rules and a trot from Spielbank.  I will use 100 numbers.  You must tell me I am either doing it right or doing it wrong.  There will be no obfuscation!
4.  When I get the same results as He Himself, I will gladly pay you!

That's it!!

How I determine who is a candidate for the money?  On this thread, tell me you understand the rules and will take me up on my offer.   You are #1.  The next person is #2 and so on.

If #1 fails and #2 sees it a different way, he's up to bat!!

FAIR?  Well, if not.............JUST SHOOT ME!!   

TwoCatSam
(Not as honest as Abe, but pretty close!)

[Stepkevh]

I've read the last thread was opened.

And he used my tracker to show that the winning target was reached.

So if he uses my tracker it must be that the tracker is correct   

[rayhd63]

Sam,

I read on diffrent treads that you are quit anoid by the Flat thing.

Aren't we to old to get upset by things that we can't change....
It's not good for your health and, you need you energy for testing other worthwile methods, and creating your own.

One good thing would be, lets meet Flat in person and watch him how he does that. So I could meet you in person. Actually, we shouldn't worry about expenses, because as his statement, he won 16.000 Euros, his fried 200.000 Euros !!
So , we will learn how it works, and come home with money and knowledge.
That, of course , will only work if, Flat is honest and is willing to show us how it works.

Just don't get upset and stresst....it is just not worth it.

Ray

[TwoCatSam]

I've read the last thread was opened.

And he used my tracker to show that the winning target was reached.

So if he uses my tracker it must be that the tracker is correct   

Stef

I have no doubt your tracker is correct.  So now he's going to use it?  Why not use it on the same trot I did?  What exactly did I do wrong?  How hard it is to put in numbers?

None of this makes any sense.

Thanks for your reply.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Sam,

I read on diffrent treads that you are quit annoyed by the Flat thing.

Aren't we to old to get upset by things that we can't change....
It's not good for your health and, you need you energy for testing other worthwile methods, and creating your own.

One good thing would be, lets meet Flat in person and watch him how he does that. So I could meet you in person. Actually, we shouldn't worry about expenses, because as his statement, he won 16.000 Euros, his fried 200.000 Euros !!
So , we will learn how it works, and come home with money and knowledge.
That, of course , will only work if, Flat is honest and is willing to show us how it works.

Just don't get upset and stresst....it is just not worth it.

Ray

Ray

Thanks for your kind words.  I am annoyed that a man will not stick to a simple train of thought.  Yes, the man may actually have something.  But if you can't in any way teach anyone, why even bring it up.  I know about the language thing; that can be overcome. 

Note your red statement above.  In my opinion the man could do a whole lot better job of explaining it.

And it seems no one can properly explain it or they'd take my 100 units.

I would pay!!

Sam

[Stepkevh]

Samster,

I've just read his explanation of the rules in the excel file he posted.

I compared his results with something i replicated in my tracker.

Look at the attached picture and search the mistake 

[Stepkevh]

Will help a little bit

In the rules he states "betting furthest won while the repeating split lost..."

Yep, that's correct because after a win you stay on the same bet and a furthest that won becomes a last.

Then he says "same happen on the repeaters of the last 9"

There is the mistake from himself...

For the first "14" split he must bet "the last 9" splits, this lost because "14" is a furthest split.
According his rules, the "14" becomes now a "last split" and there needs to be switched from betting.
So there needs to betted on the "furthest 9".
He does that is his example but it shuld be a loss not a win because following his rules is "14" a "last 9" split now.

So now i'm sure my tracker is perfect and i understood the rules clearly...

I gladly take your offer ,i think i need to provide my account  :LoL:

Stef

[TwoCatSam]

Stef

I forgot to mention...you, soggett and trebor were out of the running as you knew the tracker!!  Sorry!!

I simply cannot read FLAT's way of recording.  I need two columns and to see the numbers.

Frankly--and I would say this if FLATman were still around--I think he obfuscates the rules just so no one can check him.  Or it's so much work they give up.  Or when they do, he can berate them.  Or all of the above.......

But I might be wrong and this might be the answer...

Sam

[Stepkevh]

i'm sure that i'm taking your offer 
anything is welcome for all the hard work i did 

Now i'm back with more proof of mistakes he made.

Looked at the other thread "best guess..."
Took a look at the first 2 sheets lvf1 and lvf2.
And imported his numbers in my tracker.

Lvf1 picture shows that its completely the same as his excel.

Lvf2 is not the same when i import the numbers.
I typed the splits as they came in to catch the last 9 to commence a trigger.
The trigger starts one spin earlier then he types in his sheet.
This changes the outcome completely for some sheets (this one won actually :-) )

Did'nt check the others, but i'm sure they are the same or there is a mistake in his sheets.
Because my tracker completely matches his rules.
And if that is correct then there is no discussion in making faults 
The excel doesnt make mistakes if its coded correctly... in this case it is.
So you know where the miistakes come from ... R.I.P. 


Stef

[Stepkevh]

Stef

I forgot to mention...you, soggett and trebor were out of the running as you knew the tracker!!  Sorry!!

Sam

Then we are the best 3 to find out and prove he is wrong and not the tracker.
Like i said in my previous post,
If the tracker matches one sheet that he provided and then the second sheet doesnt match
then there is no mistake in the tracker 

Stef

[Skakus]

So now i'm sure my tracker is perfect and i understood the rules clearly...

What he said.

Now give me money.     Australian dollars please.

[Turner]

Sam,

its quite clearly about him not his system. The poor guy cant take criticism or failiure. I have tried his systems in the past and like you, when I questioned it I got "read the Xl, it is correct"

he has to be seen as the big man who allways wins. The casino globetrotter who broke the bank.

The minute you say...this lost, an I doing it right? He instantly sees it as a personal attack.

I was adviced by someone on PM, during a spat with flat, to "just leave it"...."its not worth it"

At the time I felt...why should I? but I now know you wont ever win. He will duck and dive and increase the size of his weapon. You saw him increase the size of his weapon in his last post...lol

NO PUN INTENDED.

if the explaination isnt going well.....raise the abuse and insult.
A bit like the skunk firing the smell as a last resort (I did say skunk)

When the PM guy said it isnt worth it...the "isnt worth it" is you or me lowering our selfs to get into an argument with him. The last word will always have to be his. If its a fu.ckin good question that stumps him, he will divert the answer with arrogance or insult.

Turner

[TwoCatSam]

Turner

I have received a PM from a person who says he cannot understand it.  Like you, he says it is impossible to understand, as FLAT changes the rules mid-stream.  I consider this person to be truly as intelligent as they come.  If he can't decipher it; no one can!

I will continue to test the idea with the tracker.  Why not?  Might stumble onto something.

Thanks for the input.

Sam

[superman]

Sam we'll never get to the bottom of it, back when his CWB was being raved about, I decided to bot it, the thread was over 10 pages long, I started with the first page, coded it, it failed within seconds of a quick run, I queeried it, got the abuse that I was dumb and hadn't read properly, had a reply from one of the htread followers saying it had changed slightly, coded it, fail again, lucky I had time to kill, anyhow eventually it had changed again, re coded = fail again so I bowed out after the rant from uncle Flat. The thread soon went quiet, can't think why lol

Since then, he has been on my mental ignore list, either he doesn't have anything useful or he's having a laugh, it's that simple.

[TwoCatSam]

OK

I just got the run from hell.

Sam