Fender / JL

[Steve]

There is some confusion about who JL is. It is a fact and by his own admission, yes he is fender1000 from VLS. He denies being 'c e h' though.

For those that don't know why I banned him originally, again it was mainly because:

1. He's one of the people that come on forums claiming to have the magical method and everyone should listen to him.... and then the system proves to be a complete flop. IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT HAVING A BAD SYSTEM. HE MISLEADS PEOPLE AND LIES.

2. The final straw here was him using a fake name "thepilot" and proxies. When his system was failing in tests, this newly invented character comes here to say "hey look! I won $70k with his system, but some different one... that's all I have to say, I'm going now.....". Of course he denies it.

Anyway for anyone interested in fender's previous "holy grails" that proved to be a complete flop, see:

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=16103.0
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=15721.0

I removed all of his posts because he was doing people real damage with his lies. But traces of his system still exist like in the above thread. The below post in particular will also help you understand why I ban people like this:

Here's an update of The Fender Statements comedy list:

1- The magic "ZONE" gives an advantage to the player over the house.
2- Street 10 is the best and most consistent street at the roulette table.
3- Occurrences such as red hitting 25 times in a row are impossible, unless the wheel is rigged.
4- No 74 spin sequence can appear without at least one of these numbers: 1,2,35,36.
5- The dozens and columns come out on top. They are hands down the best bet on the table. The surest way to defeat the wheel.
6- The ZONE seems to fail in Dublin Bet, therefore Dublin Bet is not a genuine real fair wheel.

We are talking about JL here, same guy different name. Some of you people need to wake up and understand why I banned him. btw, it is not the first and wont be the last time he creates multiple accounts to give himself credit and lure in more people. for one thing he also did it on the casino meister forum as admin there can confirm

[Turner]

Lol....you just have to smile at no.6

[Still]

I still believe in Code 20 though.

[Still]

Seems to me JL could get even by simply resuming the JL BV Challenge before Superman pulls the plug at the end of December.   If he wanted, i'm sure someone would rig up a bot to make the job easier.

JL BV Challenge:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10217.15 

[superman]

The plug isn't getting pulled anymore Still, after me telling him all that he admitted he lost his patience and blew most of the 20 euros, his excuse was that playing in cents was losing as he lost while tracking. He then sent me a PM asking if HE could up the anty by sending me 200 euros for the bank and he will then track in cents and bet in euros, he gave me my 20 euros back so all its costing me is the use of my BV account which isn't a problem.

He is playing with his own money now, that should stand for something, either hes totally nuts or he really really believes in his method/s, let's just sit back and watch, that's all we can do.

[Still]

Oh, ok thanks for that info. 

So there is, or will soon be $200 of his own in the account and he will resume?  Good!  I hope now he can figure out how to spin the wheel cheaply and up the ante when his system says GO.  Yes, he does seem to get bored (who wouldn't i guess) and starts to experiment with things beyond the tried and true (FIVE?).  That's why i suggested he get hooked up with a bot, and take the time to convey the rules to the bot-meister...and then check it to make sure it's doing what it's supposed to. 

[superman]

That's why i suggested he get hooked up with a bot, and take the time to convey the rules to the bot-meister...and then check it to make sure it's doing what it's supposed to

I did bot it, it fails .......... often on a long run BUT the issue with ALL his methods is ......... yes, it's hit n run.

We've covered many different hit n run scenarios over the last year NONE work with his methods, we've asked how often he plays, how many games a session etc etc, it can be programmed but he can't/wont put any values in play for use to code with, example

JL, how many times a day do you play?
ans; some times 4 or 5 times, someday don't play at all

JL, how long is a hit n run session?
ans; could be 10 minutes, sometimes less sometimes more

JL, how many game wins do you aim for in a session?
ans; 2 maybe 3, if random is confused he will play for more wins

You can't code gut feeling, its black or white sadly. The problem is his methods are mainly playing against timing, not random can cope, which boils down to luck, an easy way to look at it is, you work in a city, next to a casino, every lunch break you have your food then pop into the casino and play dozens A+B ONCE only, you could go all week for that one bet and win everytime OR win 4 out of 5 (you don't work weekends) but at some point you will lose every day because 'random' has been watching the door lol

[Proofreaders2000]

Goodness...those were the "dark ages" for me.

I admit I didn't know John Legend that well and desperate for anything that could win.

Finally, after 4.5 years I understand the game (and have the discipline to gamble in general.)

There is no shortcut to learn these games of chance--and no shame in walking away
if this isn't for you.

[GARNabby]

If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

I came across this program offered by “The Baccarat Institute for Applied Wealth Sciences” claiming that it can impart sure-win Baccarat methods at the casinos.

The website paints the institute and their Baccarat workshops in a very altruistic light â€" The institute is not interested in making your money via their hefty course fees, neither are they promoting gambling. Instead, they just want to help gamblers turn gambling into a form of investment with calculated risk. Here’s my favourite quote: “We Don’t Teach Gambling We Teach 100% Sure Win Investing”.

Some other incredible claims taken from their website:

- “The One & Only Program In Singapore That Teaches A Real Genuine Money Making Method To Last You A Lifetime. “

- “Give Us 9 Hours, And We Will Show You How To Achieve Breathtaking Wealth And Prosperity â€" Or You Don’t Pay A Cent!”

- “Each Session Only Lasts 3 Hours. We’ll Guide You Through The Various Techniques Of Making Money And By The End Of 9 Hours, You Will Be Smiling With Cash In Your Hands!”

- “We are not encouraging you to gamble. We are teaching you a skill to protect yourself from addiction and to make good money.”

- “Our strategy isnot to STOP or RESTRICT gambling. Rather, it is about teaching casino players to Make Money instead of Losing Money. It is about teaching casino players to play sensibly and wisely.”

They are good with spinning their words, but I still see it as gambling promotion when you bring students on “field trips” to casino for gambling. The National Council of Problem Gambling should really look into this institute and its Baccarat programs.

My approach to this Baccarat Institute is the same with other get-rich-quick-schemes. If it’s really so good, why do you need to advertise it? Your father, mother, immediate uncles, aunties, best friends would have been flocking to you for your tips to get rich fast and spreading the words along. Why bother offering these courses and workshops to strangers when you can benefit those closest to you first?

This is why a simple Google search of the phrase “We Don’t Teach Gambling We Teach 100% Sure Win Investing” churns out so many similar gambling websites offering roughly the same program around the world:

link:://casino.miraclesurprise.com/index.php

link:://:.millionebooks.com/roulette-secrets-unveiled.aspx

link:://:.genuinewinner.com/main.htm

link:://:.greatgamblingsystems.com/casino_betting_system.php

There’s no free lunch in this world, especially not from strangers who need to advertise that they are giving out free lunches.

link:://alvinology.com/2011/06/27/the-baccarat-institute-for-applied-wealth-sciences/     Well, another thing that tends to happen, with the gambling message-boards anyway, is that posters who become more- infamous/famous than the owner/admin/mod 's are "shown the door".

[GARNabby]

BTW, did old Bayes follow JL off to that new-new vls site?  And why didn't Bayes figure out (his buddy) JL a long time ago (, another real troll)?

And what of Victor?  Will he be selling that new-new-new vls to Scamopolous eight months down the road when he can't pay "the lights bill"?  Will Scamopolous, what Steve called himself a couple of years ago, buy it?

OMG, to not be a newbie with, say, 800 posts.

[GARNabby]

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"Players deserve a chance to profit w/o unfair restrictions."


LoL, Steve.  Nowadays, the poor people "get s*h**t on"... and then "flush themselves down".

You're losing your conspiracy-theory edge.  (And running on auto-pilot with this every-other "thing" word/phrase/link editor of yours.  How about a warning for using the word s*h**t?)

[Steve]

garnabby, I have no idea what you're talking about. if you mean the word censor, most of them were setup by victor. but if it makes you happier I'll run through them and uncensor certain words

[Steve]

store high in transit

SHIT

ok?

[Steve]

Seems to me JL could get even by simply resuming the JL BV Challenge before Superman pulls the plug at the end of December.   If he wanted, i'm sure someone would rig up a bot to make the job easier.

Yes but he doesnt want that. He says his system wont work even when a bot does exactly the same thing. I mean WTF?

The truth is he doesnt want people to have an effective way of testing his system over a statistically relevant amount of spins. It would mean his rubbish is revealed sooner. And he wants people to believe in his methods.

after me telling him all that he admitted he lost his patience and blew most of the 20 euros

When I see these small numbers I wonder what kind of testing is being done? Superman from what you said, his system failed, and now he's desperate to redeem himself by depositing even more money. It is his right to do so but looks like more an attempt at redemption after failure.

The question people should be asking is:

To do proper testing, why not use several years of real roulette spins from a real casino?? (real spins from link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11346.0)

JL says his system wont work on them. He says you need to actually be there for the spins. WHY?

Geez you'd think the picture would be impeccably clear by now...

[Turner]

garnabby, I have no idea what you're talking about.

lol....I think hes an FAQ generator program with the wrong database. Nothing he says relates to anything or has any relavance to the subject matter. I think hes trying to be clever, but I never get what he says enough to decide.

Bless him!