sad day for mankind

[rouletteKEY]

mentality from our founding fathers here in the USA... the land of the free and the home of the brave where we cling to our guns and religion

Not looking to get into a gun control debate on the roulette forum...but I do believe if we ban guns only the bad guys will have them...and they will have them...and then the rest of us just become prey

that's what I believe

okay on the second post... if we are going to spin this into the mass marketing of nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction to the general public...then I guess I could go the other way and say people use knives, cars, tools, ropes, flammables and almost every other household product as a weapon to kill people including your bare hands.  Although it has been said that the best way to make a man more agreeable is to cut off his hands...I'm hoping you're not suggesting that.  Where does it stop?  Criminals will always be better armed than their victims but if the law abiding can't possibly defend themselves I believe there will be more and more victims and that is what you and I can both agree on...we want less victims we just disagree on how to achieve that end

[TwoCatSam]

I swear this is true............

An Oklahoma Highway Patrol Trooper allowed his weapon to fall into the hands of a three year old child who shot himself in the head.  Just heard it on the news.

Now--you ask--how does a trained officer of the law allow this to happen??  Good question!

Folks, it never ends.  It just morphs from one tragedy to another. 

Sam

[vundarosa]

okay on the second post... if we are going to spin this into the mass marketing of nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction to the general public...then I guess I could go the other way and say people use knives, cars, tools, ropes, flammables and almost every other household product as a weapon to kill people including your bare hands.  Although it has been said that the best way to make a man more agreeable is to cut off his hands...I'm hoping you're not suggesting that.  Where does it stop?  Criminals will always be better armed than their victims but if the law abiding can't possibly defend themselves I believe there will be more and more victims and that is what you and I can both agree on...we want less victims we just disagree on how to achieve that end

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it should be about stats....the day these things kill more people than guns, more often and in environments where the risk should is minimal, then it would be time to do something about them....take for instance cars and planes, something is being done to make them safer and laws are becoming more rigid.....same should be with guns and gun ownership.........plus, the fact that xyz is also bad does not mean abc is not or we should do nothing about it 

vundarosa

[trebor]

This is bull. we have loonies in our country too. We don't have easy access to guns here. if we did then these type of mass murders would be happening here as well. They don't for the simple fact due to gun laws.

Is this the UK furple. If so I can remember Hungerford and Dunblane and there have been others.

I still advocate tight gun control but when individuals go off the rails all hell breaking loose is always a possibility.

Trebor

[furple]

mentality from our founding fathers here in the USA... the land of the free and the home of the brave where we cling to our guns and religion

Not looking to get into a gun control debate on the roulette forum...but I do believe if we ban guns only the bad guys will have them...and they will have them...and then the rest of us just become prey

that's what I believe

okay on the second post... if we are going to spin this into the mass marketing of nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction to the general public...then I guess I could go the other way and say people use knives, cars, tools, ropes, flammables and almost every other household product as a weapon to kill people including your bare hands.  Although it has been said that the best way to make a man more agreeable is to cut off his hands...I'm hoping you're not suggesting that.  Where does it stop?  Criminals will always be better armed than their victims but if the law abiding can't possibly defend themselves I believe there will be more and more victims and that is what you and I can both agree on...we want less victims we just disagree on how to achieve that end

So by your reckoning  if this looney didn't have access to guns then he would have still gone into this school and murdered 26 innocent women and children.

[furple]

Is this the UK furple. If so I can remember Hungerford and Dunblane and there have been others.

I still advocate tight gun control but when individuals go off the rails all hell breaking lose is always a possibility.

Trebor

No it's not. We had an incident awhile back where this young individual stabbed this tourist to death. He had revealed that he was planning to go into his old school and shoot everybody. The only reason he didn't because he couldn't get access to any guns.

[Steve]

Kids should never access guns. That's problem one. Other problem is that kind of thing happens often when the society has serious problems.

[Turner]

Not looking to get into a gun control debate on the roulette forum...

Well...it is in off topic. I didnt intend a gun discussion, and we dont have delete post anymore. I just wanted to express how sad it was that innocent people, especially children got murdered.

The gun law in USA is not really the issue. A gun does nothing without pulling the trigger.

My uncle Bob in the US (Major General Robert Sadler) killed himself while cleaning his gun whilst loaded. Turns out his second wife did it for insurance.

See, in UK, you couldnt get near to that scam because no one has guns in their home. 58 gun deaths in 12 months in the UK.

I do have a nice set of Chefs Knifes in a wooden block though. I havnt killed anyone with them yet.
Just sliced the turkey on Chrismas day.

Turner

[catalyst]

mentality from our founding fathers here in the USA... the land of the free and the home of the brave where we cling to our guns and religion

we tend to categorize this type of incident as terrorist act--Muslim terrorist such as Oaklahome bombing, Norway Massacre etc. Later we come to realize these are acts of christian terrorist or orthodox terrorist! we need to start cleaning ourselves first.

[GARNabby]

Look, stop feeling sorry for yourselves, "the system", or the "poor souls" who die every day.  You too will die, one day.

Everything evens out. A fair god/universe/karma, whatever you want to call it, won't forget you... certainly, isn't waiting for you to perfect our world.

[iggiv]

Turner, i see this was quite a story

link:://clintonherald.com/features/x211844757/General-Sadler-and-the-Black-Widow-part-2

[rouletteKEY]

catalyst...do you live in the USA?

the "cling to our guns and religion" is a play off of our President getting his digs in on us Midwestern Americans.......sarcasm     the first part "land of the free and home of the brave"...well...that's just all-American

I wasn't making any direct or veiled references to religious idiologies of crazy people doing horrendous things

Nut-cases will always be amongst us...you just can't reason with crazy and a person who is willing to sacrifice their life for whatever their cause or motivation is a difficult force to stop...you just hope they are too stupid to be able to execute their plan, be aware of your surroundings, and pray everyone escapes

Geeeez...all this on a roulette site....ugggg

[GARNabby]

Nut-cases will always be amongst us...you just can't reason with crazy and a person who is willing to sacrifice their life for whatever their cause or motivation is a difficult force to stop...you just hope they are too silly to be able to execute their plan, be aware of your surroundings, and pray everyone escapes

If you've not begun to question your own sanity on many levels, how could you know how you, yourself, would fare under similar surroundings, etc?

Hardly a simple question with a simple answer.  LoL, only on a roulette board.

[Turner]

Turner, i see this was quite a story

link:://clintonherald.com/features/x211844757/General-Sadler-and-the-Black-Widow-part-2

Sure was....My dads sister Auntie Cathline went to US and married him. She died of cancer. This was his second wife.

[iggiv]

as we say in russian he warmed a snake on his chest. Quite sad. Such a diabolic plan to kill a man.
To load his gun knowing the way he cleans it. She surely paid attention at the procedure.
But he made a fatal mistake. Each time u clean the gun, u gotta check if the bullet is not in the barrel. In the military it usually looks like this: the platoon stands up before one of commanders or sergeant, the rifles are 45 degrees to the air (the magazine is always out of course), the bolt is pulled back by each soldier, and the inspecting
commander inserts his finger into the barrels of the guns, one by one. Only when u r done, u r allowed to do it.

Those rules are written by BLOOD my friends.

one day on a shooting range, i got such hysterical yells from my platoon commander because after shooting on the target i did not stop with my rifle at 45 degrees, i LOCKED the bolt, put the rifle on my shoulder and just walked to him. He started yelling at me "you f***** wanna kill me?
like that? " He took my rifle and start shooting hysterically into the ground just before us.

I will never forget it.

those rules are very important. If u clean your weapons never forget about the possible bullet in the barrel even if u did not use it.

The general would be alive by now if he followed the rules.