A NEW WAY TO BEAT THE WHEEL--FLAT BET--thk.to Frank Jonson

[Bettor 27]

THE LONG RUN COUNTS MATE,don't give up as this is a flat bet test which will be
changed into something else/which I will talk about after many sessions test/.....

Ok - Result for 24/01/2013 (attached) is:

Max = +90
Min = -189

[Bettor 27]

Result for 01/01/2013 (attached) is:

Max = +45
Min = -243

[ilukan]

With no deffending myself nor a mehod.......but you noticed in my excel sheets
no table 5 and 6 are included here,as those are so rarely played and only interfer
mixing tables 2,3,4,7....and one more very impotant thing myfriend it doesn't have to
be in sequent.way...2,3,4,7.....couse sometime one table might have no players and
when you comeback to it again you find it late for half hour....I think one ofthe attach.
have explanations there.For instance you start with table  3  at 15,00h,4 at 15,26/in the mean time table 3 stop plyed due to the lack of players,play 7 ,then comeback on table 3 playing the same spins
you did already on table 4......when I finish with this there wil be all rules clearly explaind.And in such
situations often comes to break time/up to 10 spins/just to evenly put the switching in seq.way.

[ilukan]

Result for 01/01/2013 (attached) is:

Max = +45
Min = -243

Now you can compare yours and my way of playing the same session of the same day.

[Bettor 27]

Now you can compare yours and my way of playing the same session of the same day.

Thanks - I understand now but unless I am missing something, I think there are errors in your spreadsheet. Using your numbers exactly (line by line) I get the final score of +153 but you have ending score at +243...Let me know

Anyway, will test this some more to see how robust it is...

[ilukan]

As I gather you are doing it by tracker,therefore your results must be correct,while
me all manual and there could/should be some errors/just spotted one in first cycle
on split 15 where it should have been a win but I put it as a loser/...those things
are not so much important...for me its most important will it survive as a flat bet without
large deviations in the long run......but the fact is that playing it thisway throughout night
session it avoids lot of zeros,even thought seen 12 in one of your sessions.Should be done
without table 5,6.......after all we/I was playing for somebody else/ won lot of money on our
last night play in Wiesbaden recently.live.

[Kav]

Unless you have a method that (for any reason) tracks previous spins on specific tables, there is no mathematical or statistical reason to change tables in any system. This basic. If a system requires you to change tables randomly this is a good indication that the system is nonsense.

[iggiv]

KAV, does it mean, that a good suitable method is supposed to win on the same table all the time? No need to stop, right?

[ilukan]

If a system requires you to change tables randomly this is a good indication that the system is nonsense.

This nonsense system won us recently in Wiesbaden 135k------and so far testing it for january 14 days so far,it comes as a flat bet winner every of those days.When I come to the end/it goes slowely/will post it then somebody may come
to conclusion why is that so.I pressume why but let it stay here.

[rayhd63]

Hey Flat,

Are you still playing in Wiesbaden ?!?
I live 50 minutes away. So I could join, meet you.
That would be Fun.

Ray

[ilukan]

Hey Flat,

Are you still playing in Wiesbaden ?!?
I live 50 minutes away. So I could join, meet you.
That would be Fun.

Ray
[/quote
That was persuaded by my Austrian friend and after playing several nights in Wien/with negative results/he insisted going/by his private plane/to Wiesbaden where we got back some of the loss from Wien,but the last night started playing the same method but with changing tables and at the end he won 135k/I got my percentage,as was playing for him...our next trip is Malta but after I fully recover from the operation I did recently.....send me your private email on---ivica.boban@ri.t-com.hr and when we go there again will let you know.

[iggiv]

Unless you have a method that (for any reason) tracks previous spins on specific tables, there is no mathematical or statistical reason to change tables in any system. This basic. If a system requires you to change tables randomly this is a good indication that the system is nonsense.

the truth is that any mathematical or statistical method will lose sooner or later. So it does make a sense after short period of time either to change tables or just get the hell out of there. Most important thing is to leave this particular wheel u were playing at, don't wait till it will kill u.

If this was not true, then there would be math methods which u could use to empty the casinos day after day.
But it's impossible without physical conditions tracking methods or biased wheels.

[ilukan]

Iggiv,
The main advantage switching tables in cycle of 9 spins is couse in 80% of such play
you will have less zeros then constantly playing one table....that is a proved fact in
so far testing this method of play.

[iggiv]

its impossible on a long run. there will  be significant periods of time when u have MORE zeroes. Zero is just like any other number. Sometimes u have more of it, sometimes less. It just happened that u got less zeroes with switching the tables so far. Next period of time u may have more zeroes 80% of the time.

[ilukan]

its impossible on a long run. there will  be significant periods of time when You have MORE zeroes. Zero is just like any other number. Sometimes You have more of it, sometimes less. It just happened that u got less zeroes with switching the tables so far. Next period of time u may have more zeroes 80% of the time.

I'm very patient and have a lot of time to test my theory...you could be right,we shal see.