123 Move (Live-Wheel)

[ignatus]

You are right rolf harris! THANKS! 

These are my results (see attachment, playing from beginning, all these spins): it's the same movement, same pattern

123-move: LWLLWWWWWWWWLWWLWLWWWWLLWW  Winrate 18/26 = 69%

321-move: WWWWWWLWWLWWWWWWLWWLWWWLLW  winrate 20/26 = 77%

231-move: WWLWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL  winrate 23/26 = 88%

213-move: LWLWWWWWLWLWWWLWWWLLWWLWLW  winrate 17/26 = 65%


Average winrate: 75%

[ignatus]

I've been thinking of another twek now: Playing 4 spins (not three), using rouletteKEY's idea 2+2 spins

Progression +1 after 2 spins (stop after 4 spins) So, now one session is 4 spins.

This would decrease losing rate even more. (hopefully?)



OR else use positive progression

I'd like to have ideas how the positive progression would look like playing this?

[rouletteKEY]

Ignatus...have you tested this with a flat bet? 

I always test methods on a flat basis and if it holds up well then consider a progression simply to maximize return or maybe take a little down-side away with a stop-loss.

I'm not sure a 1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,3 or in this case a 12-12-12-24-24-24-36-36-36 progression gets you where you wanna be on the profitability.  I play a small amount of numbers so I am not as well versed as many on the forums regarding dozens bets but it just seems like a 9 step 3 tiered progression from my admittedly brief testing seems like it would leave you vulnerable.  You are depending on first spin wins to be viable.

Do you have a breakout regarding what percentage of wins (on a statistically significant number of real spins) come on the first spin, second, third, (and I am presuming you would have numbers for 4th, 5th and so on...but that's why you stopped at a 3 spin attack)?

I'll let you guys that play lots of numbers tinker with this but I think this ends up with you tracking your dozens as you've charted and then waiting for a hit after 9-15 consecutive misses and then playing a true dozens progression divided out onto the 12 or 13 numbers in play for x amount of spins (that number of spins would be developed thru testing as to where maybe 65%-75% of successful attacks in this method hit) and then stopping after say 4 spins or whatever that number is...then picking up the next step of the progression after the next trigger assuming you hit a stop-loss.  If I were playing this type of method I think that is the direction I would head...if it works for me using 3-4 numbers it should translate towards 12-13.

Obviously you then have to look at how many losses in a row would that stop-loss regularly encounter on a session basis to determine your overall progression or whether you only play after a loss, only play after a win within x amount of spins....the trigger possibilities go on and on and on...you get the drift I'm sure.

If you are solid on your bet selection...I think you will end up working on the progression and style of play...maybe go to a traditional dozens progression and play for 2 spins each trial or play the 2nd and third spins if the first doesn't win...don't know...your testing will be the basis for all that...   That's just the way I see it as a non-dozens or not playin alot of numbers kinda guy lookin' from the outside in.

Just for the record...I hate the idea of thinking I've "won" when I have 11 or 12 losing bets on a victory...just a snide remark I had to throw out there based on my aformentioned fondness of not playing a ton of numbers...just sayin'       I know everybody likes a big strikerate...but a decent strikerate on just a couple numbers fattens the wallet

[ignatus]

OK Thanks for your ideas RouletteKEY. I need more people testing this and find out the best way to play it.

Positive progression was a great idea, but could you explain how you'd play it?

[Spin4Fun]

I will do some more test during the weekend, if we have the same results on paper i can code it for my bot.
Can run recent 35000 live spins now. I can report the amount of wins per step in progression.

[ignatus]

I will do some more test during the weekend, if we have the same results on paper i can code it for my bot.
Can run recent 35000 live spins now. I can report the amount of wins per step in progression.

Great idea! I look forward to your results!

[rouletteKEY]

OK Thanks for your ideas RouletteKEY. I need more people testing this and find out the best way to play it.

Positive progression was a great idea, but could you explain how you'd play it?

Off the top of my head...how many W's the way you track normally string together?  Are you running 7 average?    ...let's just say you are for this.

Do say... less than 10% of average win streaks that run 7 last less than 3?  So 90% of wins starting after a loss will get you a string of 3 consecutive wins...something along those lines

Assuming that...and only ALOT of testing proves out whatever the real numbers are.

Parlay the wins from early attacks into the subsequent attacks...but stop short of your average win streak (in this case parlay the wins from a 1st attack into your second attack bets and then the cumulative from that into the 3rd)...Stop early in the string by a decent amount so you have a better than average chance of achieving it to completion...then start over.  Don't try to milk every single dime out of it and end up losing a nice profit trying to be too greedy.   Pigs get fat...but hawgs get slaughtered.

If I played a dozen numbers I would play it something like that...but I don't see me playing a dozen numbers because I can't get past losing 11 bets on a victory and playing that many numbers is very difficult to recover from when you get down and every method...even the great ones...have drawdowns...but that's just me.

Work on the bet selection and get it ironed out...then go to money management...then test some more...then consider playing it...my two cents

[ignatus]

Alright 

[ignatus]

I will play this now using all possible moves: 123, 321, 231, 213 (these are the ones im playing, they belong to the same category) Same pattern

[rolf-harris]

Lol...what about 132.....

[rolf-harris]

Might as well throw in 312 as well....I'm sure they will all work the same..

[warrior]

You haven't even seen the pattern or played it, so how can you have an opinion of something you don't know nothing about?

I already have 10 years ago.

[ignatus]

I already have 10 years ago.

Stop lying this is just bulls***

You can speculate it won't work. That's just wrong.


Facts are different from fiction.

Take a short look at the patterns reccuring all over (see livespins I've posted) OR Play it, you'll see

[ignatus]

Might as well throw in 312 as well....I'm sure they will all work the same..

This is not the same pattern, it doesn't belong or make any sense

[rolf-harris]

Why not...?  312 is just a backwards 213 ( which you agreed works ).
The same as 321 is a backwards 123.
This way you've got all bases covered and you can't have anyone saying " Ah, but you should have had this combination  or that combination............"
You can't go wrong if you've got the lot.