123 Move (Live-Wheel)

[Spin4Fun]

If you are playing NOW, its a bet session at Dublinebet that table...
What units are you placing?

[rolf-harris]

Hi Ignatus .. just to say I believe you are on the right track by following wheel movements.
That is the way I am going..trying to make  sense of the wheel and not the layout.which is only for the placing of bets.
Now...if the numbers on the wheel went 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.....etc..that would be a different matter.
You just need to learn not to get riled up and arguing with folk when they try and give you advise.
If others are abusive and disrespectful towards you then its those people who will look bad.

[buffalowizard]

Sam,
I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on this topic.
I don't mind Ignatus coming up with tons of systems -hell, look at my track record.
It's the way he introduces them and insists they are each a holy grail, berate everyone for not believing in him, and then faintly apologising a few days later when its crashed - that gets my goat.
But like you say, I'm leaving it there and give him the privilege

[rouletteKEY]

Yes.  I started with 4900

Okay...quick question

Started with 4900...I'm good with all that...up 1000units in less than an hour...now I have some questions

What progression are you playing?
How many spins did you get at Dublin in an hour?

Your last win shows a $360 win...assuming that means one number with $10 on it won...$350 win plus the $10 bet returned

What part of the base progression ever has a multiple of 10?  Or since you're playing with monopoly money here are you playing a $10 base bet per number?  Which would mean it was up 100 UNITS in less than an hour.

Based on the info I had (and maybe the method has morphed and I missed it) a first spin win wins about $23, a second spin wins collects about $11 and a third spin win is a zero net game or a very small loss.  So you would need to be on an empty table at Dublin to get 50 spins in less than an hour...then you'd need to win almost every spin on the first spin...and you would never get to a $10 bet.

In order to even get that many bets placed you would literally have to have the dozens come in 1,2,3,2,1,2,3,2,1,2,3...and on and on and on so each trigger paid on the first spin and created another trigger that would subsequently win on the next spin...indefinitely.

I am assuming it is either fuzzy math here or a huge typo and it meant to say up 100 units of $10 each.

I agree with TCS that wheel dozens would be preferable to felt dozens...but I am pretty unconvinced that the way this was originally laid out would produce these numbers...although in less than an hour a super hot run is certainly possible...but very untypical if we are going to use it in an argument for a long-term player type method.

Things just aren't adding up in my head...like I said...assuming a big typo on the unit thing or I have missed a morph in style of play.

Sam...side note...anybody can get to a big number in play money at Dublin Bet quick...start with $1000 and just play high limit and bet the whole $1000 every spin...all it takes is a win or two betting $1000 to get you to $4900...just max out the bets in a single dozen and 1 hit and you're way over the top...play money balances are useless without a tracking histroy...one screenshot doesn't show anything except the last win amount and the starting point before that bet...just like what was illustrated here.  On the flip side of that... Ignatus should be testing enough that he likely zeroes out a play account and starts over with each new method... I would think...maybe not...not really important in the scheme of things

I am tending to believe Drazen was onto something on another board

[TwoCatSam]

Sam,
I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on this topic.
I don't mind Ignatus coming up with tons of systems -hell, look at my track record.
It's the way he introduces them and insists they are each a holy grail, berate everyone for not believing in him, and then faintly apologising a few days later when its crashed - that gets my goat.
But like you say, I'm leaving it there and give him the privilege

Well, Bwiz, I agree with that.  I'd much rather see a thread start with...Now, this is interesting!...than a lot of hype.  I'd also like to see a few things like.....Time will tell......rather than HG.

I can't count the times I thought I had the key to the vault!  I learned to keep that thought in prison!

He will, too.

Sam

[Spin4Fun]

200 live spins, 1 unit bet, 4 progression steps.
2 losses, but 468 units won

[ignatus]

200 live spins, 1 unit bet, 4 progression steps.
2 losses, but 468 units won

WöW! Great! 

This will give me more inspiration to continue playing this system.

[rolf-harris]

This is just an observation but, Spin4fun seems to be one hell of a fan of Ignatus's systems.
In the same way a friend or family member would be.
He can always be counted on for backup...that's for sure.

[Spin4Fun]

Well i try most of the system i see pass on this forum in someway.. if not to complicated to be tested with my both (thx to Proof).
I was looking at the wheel layout use of racetrack before.
And do far i had most success with this system.

[rayhd63]

Hi Roulletiers,

after buffalowizzard said : 12 number are 12 numbers , so there is no difference in betting.
It gave me thoughts if that would be true. So I just had to make a Excel sheet to compare and see if there actually would be a difference.
And what can I say..... There is !!

Ignatus movements

Max : +464u   Min : -7u   biggest drawdown : -168u   longest loss session : 15

Wins : 111       Losses : 195


Compared to the regular Dozens 1,2,3

Max : +25   Min : -349  biggest drawdown : -324u      longest loss session : 9

Wins : 97     Losses : 230


See file attached.


To me , Ignatus has done some thinking. And he does a lot of it. I hope he doesn't give up....
In every method he produces there might be a little winning method, or even give us a new idea we haven't come up with, or add our idea to it......

Ray

[rolf-harris]

I'm glad those results turned out if favour of wheel based systems.
Layout systems can only be used and studied when dealing with randomness.
And the wheel with physics.

[ignatus]

Hi Roulletiers,

after buffalowizzard said : 12 number are 12 numbers , so there is no difference in betting.
It gave me thoughts if that would be true. So I just had to make a Excel sheet to compare and see if there actually would be a difference.
And what can I say..... There is !!

Ignatus movements

Max : +464u   Min : -7u   biggest drawdown : -168u   longest loss session : 15

Wins : 111       Losses : 195


Compared to the regular Dozens 1,2,3

Max : +25   Min : -349  biggest drawdown : -324u      longest loss session : 9

Wins : 97     Losses : 230


See file attached.


To me , Ignatus has done some thinking. And he does a lot of it. I hope he doesn't give up....
In every method he produces there might be a little winning method, or even give us a new idea we haven't come up with, or add our idea to it......

Ray

Thanks rayhd63. Great work

[ilukan]

If the man was the liar he's accused of being, he would have said he started with 1,000 units--which is what Dublin gives you to start.  No more!

Someone should ask how he got from the original 1,000 to over 6,000.

Geez, can't we give this fellow a break?

Sam

REMEMBER FEW YEARS BACK/before you took your guitar playing,and disappear from
those forums/HOW YOU SHOW THE FORUM HOW TO BUILD UP UNITS ON  DB.....BET MAX.1000
ON THE DS,STREETS,SPLITS,CORNERS........AND IF YOU MISS,TAKE ANOTHER 1000 FREE,UNTILL YOU GET THE WINNER.

[sturrock]

Hi Just played Demo on Dublin Bet table 1 using 123 & 321
Results  WWLWWLLLLLLWWLLLL   Started very well then died a death

[Spin4Fun]

Hi Just played Demo on Dublin Bet table 1 using 123 & 321
Results  WWLWWLLLLLLWWLLLL   Started very well then died a death

Yes this will happen but you have to see it over like 200 spins, untill now all session where positive