Dealers spinning to any number they want

[Le_Chiffre]

Ive seen/heard people suggesting that some dealers can spin to the wheel to any number they want (give or take a couple either side)...and...that they are made to spin to 0 (or aim for it) regularly by the casinos.  When I first heard this i thought it was just a loads of rubbish started by a bunch of sore losers but I've been watching live dealers and wondered how difficult could it actually be for someone that does it day in day out for 20/30+ years.  I mean, they're people that can find all 4 aces in a deck or deal royal flushes blind folded so with practice could this be done?

I asked some of the dealers i've been playing with lately and they said it was rubbish or a myth...but i've also asked them which methods they think are the best such as marty, labby, fibs and they hadn't heard of them.....that's right.....dealers that have had long careers in casino dealing at all the games hadn't heard of marty, labby or fibonacci....which i think must be lies. 
So if they're dumbing down about that, what else are they dumbing down about?

Sorry about the strange topic.  I'm just curious whether anyone thinks it could be done.....not really if they actually do it as I'm sure even if it was possible they wouldn't be allowed to do it (in reputable casinos anyway).

[TwoCatSam]

I would have to see it to believe it.  See it over and over again, not once in a hundred tries.  I could do that and I've spun one roulette wheel in my life.  (I hit 18.)

Sam

[Le_Chiffre]

i guess for it to be possible the person learning would have to:

* get used to the speed the wheel is turning, easier if it's a constant turning one as you'll be dealing with the same speed all day long.
* have to start the spin from the same place in the bowel each time
* try and put the same speed to the ball every time (yes tricky but over time it could be perfected much like estimating the pressure of a required golf swing for certain shots etc)
* see where the ball lands roughly each time you start from the same place/same speed.
* get used to starting it at the said same place, with the said same speed AND line it up with the same number as it passes as you begin the spin and see which number it lands on from it....and see if any consistency develops from the number you start from and the one it ends on.
* If and when it becomes semi-consistent (allowing for occasional unfortunate bounces) then it would just be case of learning what numbers result from starting ones as they pass....and then being able to do that for every number as it passes....(you'd have the know the wheel like the back of your hand).

sounds hard yes, but i think it could be done, it might take 30 years though lol.

then once that's perfected, the next lesson is learning what marty, labby and fibonacci is lol.

then the final lesson of dealer school is, denying the 1st 2 lessons ever happened

[TwoCatSam]

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[TwoCatSam]

This hugs the bag!!

[Le_Chiffre]

Sam, are you saying you've developed some software that can show if a dealer is spinning to certain sectors?

[Le_Chiffre]

Why is there no way to attach a screen shot?

maybe you're too close to the grail for your own good

i'll PM you my email address if you want to email it to me.

[TwoCatSam]

What about others?  Can you attach a screen shot?  Dang, I've attached a few hundred, so I know how to do it.  The "attach" is gone from my screen.

Sam

[Le_Chiffre]

by the way, i once observed a live online session where the dealer just casually spun the ball without even concentrating as he was busy talking to the players time and time again, very laid back, then after a while of doing this, he seemed to pay a bit more attention to what he was doing and looked at the wheel and paused for a split second......and would you believe it.....0 came up that spin.  It's difficult to explain as it was very quick but he definitely and noticeably did something different that spin that he'd done the last 10-20 spins before that....he took more care if you know what i mean.

[Le_Chiffre]

What about others?  Can you attach a screen shot?  Dang, I've attached a few hundred, so I know how to do it.  The "attach" is gone from my screen.

Sam

no, i can't attach either Sam

[TwoCatSam]

by the way, i once observed a live online session where the dealer just casually spun the ball without even concentrating as he was busy talking to the players time and time again, very laid back, then after a while of doing this, he seemed to pay a bit more attention to what he was doing and looked at the wheel and paused for a split second......and would you believe it.....0 came up that spin.  It's difficult to explain as it was very quick but he definitely and noticeably did something different that spin that he'd done the last 10-20 spins before that....he took more care if you know what i mean.

Trust me on this one:  He was told he was spinning sectors.  The "eye in the sky" watches for this.  You are exactly right.  Muscle memory will take over when they are busy and are not paying attention to their spinning.  Hitting the zero was a fluke.  Someone might have had a hundred on zero.

Many, many things we do are done by muscle memory.  I won't go into it or the "brilliant" people will attack.  Just trust me; it's true.

Watch Wheel of Fortune on TV.  The guy spins one more space each time.  Bankrupt is three away.  And he moves closer, and closer and--well, darn--we got bankrupt.  Never thinks to change his speed.  Muscle memory is spinning.  I've seen people hit the $3,500 space three or four in a row.  Muscle memory.  (Well, I DID go into it, didn't I?)

If ignatus would apply this theory to his idea of 1 2 3, he would be amazed at what he could do.  Just pay attention to cw and ccw and a few other things.

Sam

[ilukan]

At my time/je how fast those years passed/when I was apprentice to be croupier,only 4 of us/out of 12/
have been employed......but how;there was control guys who would tell you prior to the spin which sector
you must hit and if you did it in approx 60/70% in certain  numbers of spins you would get the job.It was
easier in those days,balls were diff.taflon and the croupier really could do those things LC is talking about.
Our main thing was closely watch for cheat players/usually doing this in groups /2 or 3/as there wasn't video
cameras in 60 th.past century.Today with modern wheels and lighter smaller balls,especially in Macao/where
pockets haven't got any felts,it looks like a spoon and the ball bounces all over until it stops.
Even thought in some casinos in EU/especially Monte Carlo/they care about tradition and there and Nice/casino Ruhl/croupiers may aim in certain sectors if need......seen it there many times and one night a Chinesse guy lost a fortune playing 0 and 6 numbers left/right,it hit 2 times in about 30 or so spins.
Just my 2 cents,from 27 years spinning an more then 20 playing almost on daily basis.

[Turner]

I asked some of the dealers i've been playing with lately and they said it was nonsense or a myth...but i've also asked them which methods they think are the best such as marty, labby, fibs and they hadn't heard of them.....that's right.....dealers that have had long careers in casino dealing at all the games hadn't heard of marty, labby or fibonacci....which i think must be lies. 
So if they're dumbing down about that, what else are they dumbing down about?

They don't need to know labbys and Martys, or spin zeros. Even if they did, the Asian/Chinese chip stacking, carpet covering numptys provide the 2.7% house edge well enough to not cover systems and betting progressions in their training.

2 of the croupiers at our casino spend all night talking to my wife about soap operas and handbags. They have no care for what the punter thinks he has over the casino. They get their pay packets month after month and the casino director drives off into the sunset every night in his Bentley. that's what the croupiers see day after day, night after night, year after year. that's reality

Turner

[ilukan]

And btw rarely any long time croupier could last with one wife throughout his career.
Six run out from me in 27 years as they wana man in bad nightly....That's life.