New Wheel movement Strategy

[rolf-harris]

Ignatus,If you would care to read my post on the Bet Selection forum entitled. "Was I Just Lucky. . Or What?" then you will find that I was trying a method similar to this.
The Idea of betteng a certain area or sectors at either side of the last number spun.
Always only on a live wheel.
Initially. I had great results as you have had but eventually the bad runs came and I lost faith in it to some extent.
But I reckon it could have been a winner if only I could have harnessed the winning runs,of which there were many.
I only bet 5 (neighbours) numbers each side of last spun. . ie 10 units.  But this could have been extended to ten each side which would then have had similarities to your system.
I found it easier to use neighbour betting than putting numerous bets on the main layout.

[ignatus]

This was a real tricky session, "Good" because the weakness of this strategy was obvious.

I reached my wingoal +200 in 54 spins (live at DB) I started with 8200 (see pic)

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Now this W/L looks good. In reality this is not true, because ~50% of the winnings is hits on doublestreets, and that is in reality a loss. Furthermore, hits on streets and corners do not give much (or any profit) That's is also many hits. So, I didn't lose, it's a slow method/strategy, and I would say it involves more risk than i thought: I reached progression 9 units. No good sign. Well, I use +1/-2 progression +1 if a doublestreet hit OR loss. -2 only if a singlenumber or a split hits. -1 if a street or a corner hits.

[ignatus]

Ignatus,If you would care to read my post on the Bet Selection forum entitled. "Was I Just Lucky. . Or What?" then you will find that I was trying a method similar to this.
The Idea of betteng a certain area or sectors at either side of the last number spun.
Always only on a live wheel.
Initially. I had great results as you have had but eventually the bad runs came and I lost faith in it to some extent.
But I reckon it could have been a winner if only I could have harnessed the winning runs,of which there were many.
I only bet 5 (neighbours) numbers each side of last spun. . ie 10 units.  But this could have been extended to ten each side which would then have had similarities to your system.
I found it easier to use neighbour betting than putting numerous bets on the main layout.

Ok interesting, yes I agree beginning lucky then the weakness of the system become obvious... Not sure how to perfect this wheel based strategies, perhaps Sam is on the right track ....

[rouletteKEY]

I would say it involves more risk than i thought: I reached progression 9 units. No good sign.

Thought you learned the lesson of steep progressions on tons of numbers?

Ignatus...if this is your path...I urge you to consider testing by tracking actual pockets away from the previous hit.  You will be able to put it on a spreadsheet after you compile thousands of spins and then a very simple bar chart will show you if there are any opportunities that stick out.  (clustering x amount of spaces away from your originating number)  Plus by using actual pocket distances you can always backtrack into 3,4,6 or whatever size sectors you want to look at if you insist on betting huge sectors without doing any additional work.  Testing in 6 number groups does not allow you to break it down if say your sweet spot is 4-9 pockets away.

Just sayin'      You haven't listened thus far so I'm not anticipating a positive outcome here...it will help with your testing.  It cannot hurt your testing.  Something to think about...upside with no downside.  If this were a bet you should take it every single time.

[ignatus]

Thought you learned the lesson of steep progressions on tons of numbers?

Ignatus...if this is your path...I urge you to consider testing by tracking actual pockets away from the previous hit.  You will be able to put it on a spreadsheet after you compile thousands of spins and then a very simple bar chart will show you if there are any opportunities that stick out.  (clustering x amount of spaces away from your originating number)  Plus by using actual pocket distances you can always backtrack into 3,4,6 or whatever size sectors you want to look at if you insist on betting huge sectors without doing any additional work.  Testing in 6 number groups does not allow you to break it down if say your sweet spot is 4-9 pockets away.

Just sayin'      You haven't listened thus far so I'm not anticipating a positive outcome here...it will help with your testing.  It cannot hurt your testing.  Something to think about...upside with no downside.  If this were a bet you should take it every single time.

I am grateful for your ideas and opinions rouletteKEY. The wheel based strategies need to be perfected. I've done a few with minor success (or failure?) No simple strategy can work in the long run, that's what I believe. I must do more thinking, more statistics, more reseach, yes. It's some work. But I'm not giving up so easy! 

Thanks

[TwoCatSam]

perhaps Sam is on the right track ....

For the past three days Stef and I have been perfecting his and Nick's bot.  I did the complaining and Stef did the fixing.  I will make some very interesting videos.

But as to the Normy software, I will make some movies with pause so you will not have to wait all day for a bet.

I think you will be impressed.

sam

[ignatus]

For the past three days Stef and I have been perfecting his and Nick's bot.  I did the complaining and Stef did the fixing.  I will make some very interesting videos.

But as to the Normy software, I will make some movies with pause so you will not have to wait all day for a bet.

I think you will be impressed.

sam

That's great sam. Wish you luck! 

Now add this strategy to the pile of my failed strategies? Can't believe people winning flatbetting the 123-move strategy!  I had great faith in it until i lost... Same with this one. (haven't lost yet...) Anyway, I'm not so sure if it's so good as it looks anymore? It was meant for notepad, but I posted it wrong. lol

[TwoCatSam]

Just because you lose on a strategy doesn't make the strategy a loser.  You might just need another try or two.

Good luck to you!

Sam

[ignatus]

Just because you lose on a strategy doesn't make the strategy a loser.  You might just need another try or two.

Good luck to you!

Sam

Thanks Well, I have done much today. Enough for one day. I'm reading proofreaders massive list of systems.. very interesting

[rayhd63]

Ignatus,

can you check if these are the right numbers to bet ?!?

Even if they should be splits, Streeets, Corners....

Just want to know if these are the numbers....

Ray

[ignatus]

Ignatus,

can you check if these are the right numbers to bet ?!?

Even if they should be splits, Streeets, Corners....

Just want to know if these are the numbers....

Ray

Seems to be correct (I only checked one) But you can doublecheck from the numbers I used when making this strategy: (Number 1-6 counted clockwise from zero, six sections of the wheel) What are your plans? Playing 24 single numbers??

1: 0,2,4,15,19,21,32
2: 6,13,17,25,27,34
3: 8,10,11,23,30,36
4: 1,5,16,20,24,33
5: 9,14,18,22,29,31
6: 3,7,12,26,28,35



1= 6,13,17,25,27,34 3,7,12,26,28,35 9,14,18,22,29,31 8,10,11,23,30,36

1= Number 31 Splits 3/6, 13/14, 17/18, 22/23 Street 34/36 Doublestreet 7/12, 25/30

2= 0,2,4,15,19,21,32 8,10,11,23,30,36 1,5,16,20,24,33 3,7,12,26,28,35

2= Numbers 15,26,28,30 Split 16/19 Street 10/12 Corners 0/3, 4/8, 20/24, 32/36

3= 6,13,17,25,27,34 1,5,16,20,24,33 0,2,4,15,19,21,32 9,14,18,22,29,31

3= Numbers 0,29,34 Splits 6/9, 22/25, 24/27 Street 19/21, 31/33 Corner 1/5 Doublestreet 13/18

4= 8,10,11,23,30,36 9,14,18,22,29,31 3,7,12,26,28,35 6,13,17,25,27,34

4= Number 31 Splits 3/6, 13/14, 17/18, 22/23 Street 34/36 Doublestreets 7/12, 25/30

5= 3,7,12,26,28,35 1,5,16,20,24,33 0,2,4,15,19,21,32 8,10,11,23,30,36

5= Numbers 15,26,28,30 Split 16/19 Street 10/12 Corners 0/3, 4/8, 20/24, 32/36

6= 0,2,4,15,19,21,32 9,14,18,22,29,31 6,13,17,25,27,34 1,5,16,20,24,33

6= Numbers 0,29,34 Splits 6/9, 22/25, 24/27 Streets 19/21, 31/33 Corner 1/5

[Spin4Fun]

OK, add the strategy to my bot.

For now i bet all number straight, but the test is just about the hit rate.
Which it better as wheel dozen.
Dont look at the balance, no correct progression used.
For 9000 spins, 383 live sessions
So over 1/3 of the bets hit at the first spin.

[ignatus]

OK, add the strategy to my bot.

For now i bet all number straight, but the test is just about the hit rate.
Which it better as wheel dozen.
don't look at the balance, no correct progression used.
For 9000 spins, 383 live sessions
So over 1/3 of the bets hit at the first spin.

Great news, it's better hitrate than 123 move, yes. That's what I figured also. Thinking now perhaps playing splits and singlenumbers only, it will be more numbers, but since hitrate is not bad it would be possible. Stoploss after at 2-3 spins with +1 progression etc

Thanks

[ignatus]

The new bets will be with splits and singlenumbers only, it will be between 12-14 numbers bet. Not sure how it would work playing this, because splits will give only 4-6 unit profit in this case. So, to recover from one loss 2-3 wins is required? With progression 1-2 wins... On the other hand hitrate is pretty high. IT will be a slow method to play, perhaps.

But remember my W/L ratio (from DB and livespins):

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We'll see. I'm working on a new tracker.

[ignatus]

New tracker made for singlenumbers and splits only. (Bets are 12-14u)

Haven't checked all numbers, but it should be correct

Anyway, I will test this now, play to +200u. Stoploss after 2 losses, +1 progression.