Average Wheel Distance

soggett · Feb 11, 05:10 AM 2013

Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 04:16 AM 2013
Let's say you place a neighbours bet for each distance/direction to repeat (5 numbers bet) for either CW or CCW:

ccw 5 neighbours. cw 5 neighbours.
CCW 17
CCW 12 W
CW 6 L
CW 7 L W
CCW 13 W L
CW 14 L L
CCW 13 W L
CW 10 L W
CCW 18 W L
CW 7 L W
CCW 17 W L
CW 6 L W
CCW 11 L L
CCW 1 L L
CCW 18 L L
CW 13 L L
CCW 6 L L
CW 6 L L
CCW 6 W L
CCW 9 W L
CW 6 L W
CCW 16 L L
CCW 5 L L
CCW 18 W L
CCW 7 L L
CCW 10 L L
CCW 14 W L
CW 17 L L
CCW 9 W L
CCW 16 L L
0 L L
CW 8 L L
CW 3 L L
CW 5 L W
CCW 6 L L
CCW 6 W L
CW 5 L W
CCW 11 W L
CCW 5 L L
CW 9 L W
CCW 14 L L
CCW 9 W L
CCW 18 L L
CCW 16 W L

14/44=32% 8/42=19%

5/37= 13.5% "Normal" winrate for 5 numbers

do you even know what CW and CCW mean?
you can't bet the 2 at the same time

ignatus · Feb 11, 05:15 AM 2013

Quote from: soggett on Feb 11, 05:10 AM 2013

do you even know what CW and CCW mean?
you can't bet the 2 at the same time

Yes? Clockwise and Counterclockwise directions. Why?

I could bet on both, but that would be a 10 numbers bet (2 five number neighbours) I think it's better to decrease the bets and focus on one particular move/pattern.

This was just an example

Skakus · Feb 11, 05:23 AM 2013

By now it should be obvious that ignatus is a blithering_idiot, and I can't believe you people give him any attention or credit at all.

Bye!

ignatus · Feb 11, 05:25 AM 2013

Quote from: Skakus on Feb 11, 05:23 AM 2013

By now it should be obvious that ignatus is a blithering_idiot, and I can't believe you people give him any attention or credit at all.

Really? Why is that?

It's a great tool, and you can't see the patterns/repetitions either??

What's your problem Skakus?

soggett · Feb 11, 05:26 AM 2013

Quote from: Skakus on Feb 11, 05:23 AM 2013

By now it should be obvious that ignatus is a blithering_idiot, and I can't believe you people give him any attention or credit at all.

Bye!

thats why I stopped, I take a look here and there to get a laugh

soggett · Feb 11, 05:28 AM 2013

Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 05:15 AM 2013
Yes? Clockwise and Counterclockwise directions. Why?

I could bet on both, but that would be a 10 numbers bet (2 five number neighbours) I think it's better to decrease the bets and focus on one particular move/pattern.

This was just an example

you can not bet on both
CW and CCW is the direction the wheel is spinning
1 spin 1 direction, there can't be both (or the wheel would not move)
do you get it now?

ignatus · Feb 11, 05:30 AM 2013

Quote from: soggett on Feb 11, 05:26 AM 2013

that's why I stopped, I take a look here and there to get a laugh

I don't understand your attitude.

I have made a tool for study the wheel movements. This will give a clear advantage.

Can't believe you soggett. What's your arguments against it ??

soggett · Feb 11, 05:33 AM 2013

Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 05:30 AM 2013

I don't understand your attitude.

I have made a tool for study the wheel movements. This will give a clear advantage.

Can't believe you soggett. What's your arguments against it ??

I have no attitude, I am trying to help you, to teach you something
Run a couple of thousand of spins and then you will see if you have an advantage, not 20 spins
I have nothing against it, just you are doing it wrong
there are may great VB players here, I am sure they can tell you more than I can about CW, CCW and all that stuff, but they will all tell you that you can't bet both at the same time

ignatus · Feb 11, 05:36 AM 2013

Quote from: soggett on Feb 11, 05:28 AM 2013

you can not bet on both
CW and CCW is the direction the wheel is spinning
1 spin 1 direction, there can't be both (or the wheel would not move)
do you get it now?

Why? Who is wrong here now??

Let's say CW 7 comes first. NOW you bet for that direction/distance to repeat so you bet 5 or 3 neighbours in that direction for each spin.

OK Next CCW 16 comes. NOW you bet for that direction/distance to repeat

So, you both bet on (3 neighbours)

CW 7 - CW 6,7,8
CCW 16 - CCW 15,16,17

soggett · Feb 11, 05:41 AM 2013

Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 05:36 AM 2013
Why? Who is wrong here now??

Let's say CW 7 comes first. NOW you bet for that direction/distance to repeat so you bet 5 or 3 neighbours in that direction for each spin.

OK Next CCW 16 comes. NOW you bet for that direction/distance to repeat

So, you both bet on (3 neighbours)

CW 7 - CW 6,7,8
CCW 16 - CCW 15,16,17

so after 16 you will bet 6,7,8 and 15,16,17 ?
you need to understand that this is how you bet CW and CCW
cw
ccw
cw
ccw
cw
ccw
cw
ccw

on spin cw, next spin ccw
if cw was 6 and ccw was 16 and you want to bet that it will repeat
then you will have to bet 1 spin 6, the next spin 16
so when the wheel is turining CW you bet 6, next spin when it is turining CCW you bet 16
but you dont bet 6 and 16 on the same spin - it makes no sense

ignatus · Feb 11, 05:47 AM 2013

Quote from: soggett on Feb 11, 05:41 AM 2013

so after 16 you will bet 6,7,8 and 15,16,17 ?
you need to understand that this is how you bet CW and CCW
cw
ccw
cw
ccw
cw
ccw
cw
ccw

on spin cw, next spin ccw
if cw was 6 and ccw was 16 and you want to bet that it will repeat
then you will have to bet 1 spin 6, the next spin 16
so when the wheel is turining CW you bet 6, next spin when it is turining CCW you bet 16
but you don't bet 6 and 16 on the same spin - it makes no sense

Why not?? Each direction is 0-18. You can bet in both directions at the same time for each spin

I don't see your point

It sure makes ALOT of sense, since repetitions of direction/distance is very common.

soggett · Feb 11, 05:56 AM 2013

Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 05:47 AM 2013
Why not?? Each direction is 0-18. You can bet in both directions at the same time for each spin

I don't see your point

ok, can someone with better english explain this to him, I think the language barrier is the problem here, I guess I can't really explain properly

ilukan · Feb 11, 06:06 AM 2013

Quote from: ignatus on Feb 11, 05:47 AM 2013
Why not?? Each direction is 0-18. You can bet in both directions at the same time for each spin

I don't see your point

It sure makes a lot of sense, since repetitions of direction/distance is very common.

Any and every bet makes a sense if it comes as a winner on your playing night session/s/here am not
talking about on line and all this nonsense rng betting/--and when you are under control of things,from
patience to other dozen things included/should look in the dictionary to mention it all/---the main and most
important thing is trying not to lose,then almost always you will walk out as a winner.

ignatus · Feb 11, 06:24 AM 2013

Quote from: soggett on Feb 11, 05:56 AM 2013

ok, can someone with better English explain this to him, I think the language barrier is the problem here, I guess I can't really explain properly

Why do you believe it's not possible to bet both directions at the same time? This is betting for each direction/distance to repeat placing 3 neighbour on each CW and CCW as they come. (6 numbers bet)

CCW 17
CCW 12 L
CW 6 L
CW 7 W
CCW 13 W
CW 14 L
CCW 13 W
CW 10 L
CCW 18 L
CW 7 W
CCW 17 W
CW 6 W
CCW 11 L
CCW 1 L
CCW 18 L
CW 13 L
CCW 6 L
CW 6 L
CCW 6 W
CCW 9 W
CW 6 W
CCW 16 L
CCW 5 L
CCW 18 L
CCW 7 L
CCW 10 W
CCW 14 L
CW 17 L
CCW 9 L
CCW 16 L
0 L
CW 8 L
CW 3 L
CW 5 W
CCW 6 L
CCW 6 W
CW 5 W
CCW 11 L
CCW 5 L
CW 9 L
CCW 14 L
CCW 9 L
CCW 18 L
CCW 16 W

winrate: 14/43= 33%

6/37= 16% "normal" winrate for 6 numbers.

Turner · Feb 11, 07:27 AM 2013

But this isnt normal. its been lucky. A line of 6 doesnt allways pay 16% does it? it too will get lucky and pay 33%.

Its also impossible to test over 1000's of numbers because you dont know which is cw and which is ccw on speilbank..

Until you have 33% consistantly over a few thousand spins, you cant read anything into a lucky streak.

Betting this way cant magically make 16% into 33%....only a lucky streak can.

I dont know why you post here. You dismiss what people ask and suggest. People who know much more than you.

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