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[TwoCatSam]

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[Le_Chiffre]

what bet selection are you playing Sam?

[TwoCatSam]

That thing Atlantis posted just above.  Using either the last dozen or column that is furthest back.

[atlantis]

Hi GLC,

With this new method, we begin by betting 1-1 on 2 dozens, but we don't go to 2-2 until we have either won two times or lost 2 times.  They don't have to be consecutive losses or wins.

11-11   Win
11-11   Lose
11-11   Lose     That's 2 losses, so our next bet is 12-12

12-12   Lose
12-12   Win
12-12   Lose     That's 2 losses, so our next bet is 13-13

13-13   Lose
13-13   Win
13-13   Win     That's 2 wins, so our next bet is 14-14

14-14   Win
14-14   Win    That's 2 wins, so our next bet is 15-15

15-15   Lose
15-15   Lose   That's 2 losses, so our next bet is 16-16

Reset whenever you reach a new profit.

This little tweak helps keep our bet sizes from rising so quickly as the original but still has enough recovery power to reach new profits.

Just an idea, George. Maybe we could play the single doz way and then switch to double dozen betting using sekuritati's trigger played using your progression as above?....

1.  Wait for 3 spins where the same dos/col repeated then bet on the other two for 1 spin.

I have been live testing all day on jebet fun play mode and the majority of times after three spins with a repeating dozen/column the other two hit on the fourth spin.

If lose wait for next qualifier.

Example
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DOZ: 3,2,1,2,2,2-------------bet 1-1 on doz 1 and 3
If 2 losing or 2 winning bets happen increase by +1 as per your rules.       

Regards,

A.

[TwoCatSam]

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[GLC]

Hi GLC,

Just an idea, George. Maybe we could play the single doz way and then switch to double dozen betting using sekuritati's trigger played using your progression as above?....

Example
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DOZ: 3,2,1,2,2,2-------------bet 1-1 on doz 1 and 3
If 2 losing or 2 winning bets happen increase by +1 as per your rules.       

Regards,

A.

A,  You know know how it goes.  Someone has an idea for a system.  Even if they test the heck out of it, once it gets posted everyone can come up with tweaks.  Once I put it on the board, it's not my system, it's our system.


I had been thinking of what to do with a triple repeat from the beginning.  I originally considered playing the single dozen after that trigger also since we don't get many single dozen triggers, but betting for 4 in a row seems to be going against logic so I just left it at betting the last 2 dozens.


I also considered betting the double dozen bet after the same dozen hits twice in a row.  All options are possible.


Really what you're suggesting is to eliminate the 221, 112, 113, 331, 332 and 223 as triggers for a double dozen bet.


So now we're playing a single dozen bet after all 3 dozens hit in the last 3 spins or a double dozen bet for the farthest back 2 dozens after a dozen repeats 3 times.  That's going to minimize the betting opportunities drastically.  Does it increase the odds of a win?  Maybe, maybe not.


Playing on Dozens and Columns can double the number of betting opportunities for us with A.D.D.


For those who like playing the original way, we can change the double dozen progression from 2 losses or wins to 3 losses or wins before increasing our bet size to slow the climb, but in the long run, I don't know if it will eliminate big bets or just reduce how often they come around.


Sam,  How far in the hole were you when you were betting 8 smackers?  Also, were most of your wins withing say 1-4 unit bets?  If so, maybe we should limit our bet sizes to 4 and use the leveller idea of staying at 4 until we recover or reach a pre-determined stop-loss.  We must think of the leveller in this way.  We play the game 90% of the time winning using our betting progression from 1-4.  On the rare occasions when we get into trouble and reach 4 unit bets, we switch to a 4 unit flat bet.  We don't have to recover all the losses to re-set to 1, maybe half would be good.  Remember, it's unrealistic to think we will come up with a system that eliminates the possibility of a losing session.  We have to decide how to play so that we minimize those losses.


Let's say when we're at 4 unit bets we're down 25 units.  If we get to only down 12 or so units, we re-set to 1 and recover the other 12 or 13 units using our 1-3 unit bets.  On the other hand, if we get down from 25 units to say 35 units, we again end the attack and re-set to 1 unit bets.  Just thinking out loud.


Also, none of the above numbers are set in stone, we can use 1 to 5 or 7 or 10 instead of 1 to 4.


Remember my 5-10% suggestion.  Right now Sam, you should only consider $7-13 as winnings.  The other $115 or so is just money you get keep in your bank until the casino presents their bill.  And believe me, they have a very persistent bill collector.


If we can keep 10%, we hit the jackpot.

[atlantis]

Hi GLC,

You wrote:

A,  You know know how it goes.  Someone has an idea for a system.  Even if they test the heck out of it, once it gets posted everyone can come up with tweaks.  Once I put it on the board, it's not my system, it's our system.

Just tossing an idea about, that's all - but I remember testing sekuritati's idea many moons ago and he is right - there are many winners on that fourth bet after a 3 in a row dozen. Just did not want you to miscontrue anything I wrote as being negative or against what you originally set out. (As a matter of fact I have already posted my own favourite double-dozen method elsewhere)

There can be many tweaks and mods and adjustments made by individual players of this as you rightly stated. In fact I think it a very good thing to allow a flexible response to the current situational play scenario.

For instance TwoCatSam has adapted it to his own particular taste that suits him.

As long as the basic foundation is strong then we can endure....

I am confident to surmise that this can be a longterm winner but let me state now that I have no intention of losing with this, George. Furthermore I do not expect to lose with it either - at least not the way I play it!   

A.

[warrior]

Guys try this from my 2 pair system, in stead of betting for a repeat dozen bet the opposite 2 dozens in all my testing 6 in row was the most so i know for sure if you have some patience to wait for 3 in a row losses you won't lose , the system was designed for a repeat dozens but it works great the opposite. over 6000 placed bets not spins,and still a winner.

[GLC]

Atlantis,  My statement was intended to be encouraging to people to feel free to tweak in any way they think might help.


With as many systems as I have posted, I have experienced just about every treatment out there.  I know that you are a gentleman and not prone to negative posting.  (Although, Iceman may not agree )  I don't mind as long people don't start putting me down or trying to make me look stupid for posting an idea even if we all know it won't work in the long run.


I like all tweaks because I know that if someone suggests a tweak, it means they will be testing it and more testing is good in the long run.


Warrior, a bet selection method that can be quantified for expected maximum losses in a row in over 6000 placed bets is excellent information.  Even though we know the 7th loss in a row is always a possibility.


People like A and TCS who are playing for real, add a lot to the validity of and interest in the system also.


I don't have so much time to devote to the development process so I love it when you guys jump in and take the bull by the horns, so to speak.


We all have the same goal.


I'm not sure Sam has posted exactly how he's playing this system.  If so, forgive me, if not, Sam could you post your method?


A, would you please give a link to your dozens system?


Cheers To All,


GLC

[warrior]

GLC idea here and the 2 pair ,is working good,7 in a row not on this one GLC.

[atlantis]

That is welcome news warrior. 

@ GLC  It's difficult sometimes with double dozen methods but I really like your progression idea. Here is the link you requested: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10540.0

A.

[TwoCatSam]

Frankly, the way I'm doing it is so boring I can barely stay awake.  Seriously thinking about hiring this botted by Stef and Nick.

Sam

[KoolKat]

Twocat,

I was once two cat now one sadly. How are you playing this exactly?

Koolkat

[GLC]

Frankly, the way I'm doing it is so boring I can barely stay awake.  Seriously thinking about hiring this botted by Stef and Nick.

Sam

As we get older, that staying awake thing does get be an issue.

[TwoCatSam]

I use the method outlined by Atlantis for single dozens or columns.  I bet the furthest back dozen or column.