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[ignatus]

This is my new project. Not finished yet.(no bets)

I've only made a program to show triggers, and I must say, it's a very strong trigger. (based on study of wheeldistances) A doubletrigger is used. Only considering spin distances on the live wheel: When 2 distances are LOW LOW -> All HIGHER distances are bet. or HIGH HIGH -> All LOWER distances are bet. ("HIGHER" that means greater distance than second last spin. "LOWER" distance is less than second last spin). Furthermore I limit the outcome to 3-7 for LOW (trigger only when hit within this range) for HIGH 12-16. This is first for limiting the bet-range, second these distances together with doubletriggers proven to be a strong

Only two "problems": First it's many numbers bet. Second sometimes it takes many spins before a trigger appear.

Best thing is very good W/L ratio. (Because of strong trigger)

For LOW the bets would be: 

3: Dist 4-18 is bet. 14*2=28 numbers
4: 5-18, 13*2                  26 numbers
5: 6-18, 12*2                   24 numbers
6: 7-18, 11*2                  22 numbers
7: 9-18, 10*2                  20 numbers

Here is my first result (From Live-spins)

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Try it out. Any ideas/comments/tweaks? are welcome. (Before I finish it)

How to use the tracker. When trigger appear: Higher TRIGGER -> All distances below the currect distance is bet.
Lower TRIGGER -> All distances above current dist are bet.


(I skipped using cw and ccw Because you can never be sure of the outcome. Seems to be very random.)

[soggett]

I inputed some numbers, It doesnt always say trigger after 2 Highs or Lows, and whats with the last two numbers?

your W/L looks great

[ignatus]

Yes,  Well, that's because i limited the range (The last two numbers are same distance, neither lower nor higher)

3-7 for LOW
12-16 for HIGH

(only triggers within this range)

[soggett]

Yes,  Well, that's because i limited the range (The last two numbers are same distance, neither lower nor higher)

3-7 for LOW
12-16 for HIGH

(only triggers within this range)

oh, ok, got it now

[DuffMiver]

Sticking in the numbers to bet on would be good. looks like nice results 

[JavierTT]

Hello.


Ignatus, thank you for your ideas.


You said:


3: Dist 4-18 is bet. 14*2=28 numbers , but isnt 15 * 2 = 30 numbers?
4: 5-18, 13*2                  26 numbers but isnt 14 * 2 = 28 numbers?
5: 6-18, 12*2                   24 numbers  but isnt 13 * 2 = 26 numbers?
6: 7-18, 11*2                  22 numbers but isnt 12 * 2 = 24 numbers?
7: 9-18, 10*2                  20 numbers but isnt 11 * 2 = 22 numbers?

[JavierTT]

Hello.

I want to post my results of the first test (108 spins).

L W W L L W L W L L .

Total result: -118.

This is because when I won, I won between 5 and 11 chips, but when I lost, I lost between 24 and 28 chips.

Sorry.

[JavierTT]

Hello again.

I want to post results from my second test for 216 spins.

WWWLLWLWWWLLWWWWLWWWWWLWLWW

Result: -58 chips.

Sorry again. My firts results werent good.

JavierTT

[rouletteKEY]

This is because when I won, I won between 5 and 11 chips, but when I lost, I lost between 24 and 28 chips.

Sorry.

That is one of the essential arguments for NOT betting a kajillion numbers...even on a win...you have a ton of losing bets that minimizes the victory.  Your bet selection has to just be ridiculous in order to earn.  Short sessions where you get some luck can get you ahead...but ultimately all those short sessions add up to be a long session and it's just tough to get back once you're down.  Systematically grinding your way back to a profit playing 24-30 numbers is nearly impossible because of the small net wins...you just need too long of a winning run to really get back.  A progression steadies the ship for the short run smaller hits but then you just get nuked at some point.  Your only real alternative once down is to switch gears and bet bigger to get back...and we know where that road can certainly lead..............

There are drawdowns on all play...it's an element of the game.  But why put yourself in a position to fail in the first place?

When analyzing a system or style of play you have to seriously look at the rate at which it can recover and what risks must you be willing to take in order for that to happen.  Betting that amount of numbers on the inside equates to a double dozens bet essentially...what's the best way to recover from a double dozens disaster?  I'm asking.  And if the answer is anything other than to continue playing double dozens..then shouldn't you be doing that in the first place?   If it was to play double dozens in a different manner either through progressions, bet selection, stop-losses, etc.  Is that the way you played this method when it showed consistent trouble?

When you get in trouble...do you change the way you play?  This is all assuming you have made the decision to play this out and you aren't leaving the table for the time being or for the day.  Do you play more numbers?  Less numbers?  Play a completely different style, go to EC's for example?  Play bigger bets or smaller bets?  Do you use positive or negative progressions?

If you decide to play on after dropping a couple thousand or whatever is a big enough dent to feel it alittle...do you change anything at all?

This method requires the exact same bet selection analysis as every other method...ask the hard question...you're down $5000...do I believe in it and play it out with another $5,000 or come back tomorrow and play another $5,000...whatever the time frame is...do you continue to play just as you have?  Or, is there something, anything,  I can do to make this a better bet selection?  If there is absolutely anything possible that you can do to enhance the bet selection...you need to do it...it all starts there.

PS  Is this a morph of a method that played just a couple numbers?  Which one is easier to recover from?  Keep in mind...when starting you haven't lost anything yet...so the best recovering method should also be the best earning method.   

My two cents

[ignatus]

Thanks. Good i got this before I started. Now, the only option left is to use cw and ccw. This will increase risk, but at the same time bets are cut in half. I'll try (same trigger but betting cw or ccw, see which one is better)...

[ignatus]

Using the same spins for both bet selections. To figure out which one is the better? From this result same as last cw & ccw

(same as last cw & ccw)

LLLLWLLWWLLLWWLWWWLWWWLWLWWWLWLLLWLWWWLLWLWWLLWLLWLLWWWWWLWLLWLWWW = 35w

(opposite cw & ccw)¨

WWWWLWWLLLWWLLWLLLWLLLWLLLLLWLWWLLLLLLLWLWLLWWLWWLWWLLLLLWLWWLLLLL = 25w

Trigger has been changed.

For LOW: All distances 1-5 is bet.
For HIGH All distances 14-18 is bet.

This will be 18-14 numbers bet (same distance is also bet). Limiting the range will increase the risk

One idea for HIGH trigger only range 1-9 is bet (or 1-10) for LOW 9-18 (or 8-18)... This will be a 9 or 10 numbers bet. (perhaps better?) I'll see about this

[ignatus]

Testing different triggers


Trigger distances LOW: All 1-5 HIGH: All 14-18. (Same as last cw & ccw)
lower/higher than the current distance, (opposite trend H/L)

WLLLWWLLWWLWWLWLWWWWWWwLLWLLWLWLLWLWLLLLLLLLLLLLLW

Old trigger (low low high - high high low) Same as last cw & ccw
Trigger distances LOW: 1-7 HIGH: 12-18. lower/higher than the current distance, (opposite trend H/L)

WWWWLWLLWWWWLLLWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLW

All higher/lower (same as last cw & ccw) Lower/higher than the current distance, (opposite trend H/L)

LWLLLWWLWWLWLWLWLWWWWLLLLWWLLWLWLWWWLWLLWWWLLLLLWLLWWWLLLW



From this test All higher/lower seems to be the best trigger.

[RFMAXX]

do you implement your newest tweak in the tracker?
that would be nice!

[iggiv]

betting so many numbers is very hard. U can cover the wheel almost always by combining corners, streets and splits. And u will lower your bankroll as well...

[ignatus]

Yes, true  Now I begun work with the new Hi/Lo-tracker, (it's a hell of a work!) 2*18*36=1296 numbers that I must enter manually looking at a wheelpic...Anyway, I will do it. But first I wish you could help testing this before I finish it. Any ideas of tweaks are welcome, and RESULTS

How to use the tracker:

CCW Dist 14 | H | Bet Lower CCW numbers

(current spin)(H/L: Higher or Lower distance compared with previous distance)(Next bet: Same distance and all 13 lower distances in ccw direction this case)

I was thinking to limit the numbers bet to 14. One at the same distance and 13 on L/H, cw/ccw direction. (That will be less numbers in some cases)

Furthermore I changed the direction of LOW at 1-5 (Always bet Higher) and HIGH 14-18 (Always bet Lower) in all other cases the bet will be in the opposite trend (H/L) This is a very common pattern that this strategy is based on.

First test (Live at DB)

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