Follow the 12 repeater idea

[Turner]

Turner

My only question is why you do not seek 12 unique.

sam

Well...it can take a while and im after repeats....why not take the repeats that are already there. But....i will test to see if the hitrate is better with 12 uniques. Thanks...its a logical question.
Turner

[rouletteKEY]

If you just play the numbers that repeat and play them for a finite time you have several things working for you.

The random "pattern" of numbers repeating.  Plus you have a small number of numbers being played.  Therefore you don't have massive drawdowns within a few spins and don't have to use any crazy progressions to buy your way out of the drawdown.  But if it goes too far...you could.  This isn't like a dozens bet that you start at 6 misses and are out of table limit by 17.  Beyond that you aren't necessarily betting all the time, so you should avoid at least for the most part the coldest of the cold spots between what generally comes out as waves of repeaters.

Test and see.  On the airball wheel I usually play...if you don't get the 3rd hit (the one that pays) within 18-20 spins it's statistically unlikely to happen.  Testing will show what the sweetspot is for that 3rd hit.  I know playing 36 spins makes it easy to calculate in your head where you are for profit and loss on any single attack...but you may want to consider if the string of losses isn't too long once you get dialed in and the bankroll is sufficient.  +1 on a loss after say a 20 spin attack and -1 after a win.

Of course if you are playing to win and not just grind out a small profit.  You have to at some point have enough testing to recognize the wave on the way up and play a positive progression on the wins...maybe plus 3 or 4 units for a few spins after a win.  testing will dictate the play on the spin count...experience will dictate when to really attack with the larger units.

Nice thing is...even if you miss on the bigger attack...since it's coming in a winning wave you should be doing it with winnings and since you are playing a small amount of numbers...it won't destroy you if it doesn't pan out and you can recover quickly due to the architecture of the method.

[Turner]

If you just play the numbers that repeat and play them for a finite time you have several things working for you.

The random "pattern" of numbers repeating.  Plus you have a small number of numbers being played.  Therefore you don't have massive drawdowns within a few spins and don't have to use any crazy progressions to buy your way out of the drawdown.  But if it goes too far...you could.  This isn't like a dozens bet that you start at 6 misses and are out of table limit by 17.  Beyond that you aren't necessarily betting all the time, so you should avoid at least for the most part the coldest of the cold spots between what generally comes out as waves of repeaters.

Test and see.  On the airball wheel I usually play...if you don't get the 3rd hit (the one that pays) within 18-20 spins it's statistically unlikely to happen.  Testing will show what the sweetspot is for that 3rd hit.  I know playing 36 spins makes it easy to calculate in your head where you are for profit and loss on any single attack...but you may want to consider if the string of losses isn't too long once you get dialed in and the bankroll is sufficient.  +1 on a loss after say a 20 spin attack and -1 after a win.

Of course if you are playing to win and not just grind out a small profit.  You have to at some point have enough testing to recognize the wave on the way up and play a positive progression on the wins...maybe plus 3 or 4 units for a few spins after a win.  testing will dictate the play on the spin count...experience will dictate when to really attack with the larger units.

Nice thing is...even if you miss on the bigger attack...since it's coming in a winning wave you should be doing it with winnings and since you are playing a small amount of numbers...it won't destroy you if it doesn't pan out and you can recover qui
ckly due to the architecture of the method.

Yes...i agree. Even if f its falacy, flawed and misguided.....it isnt a bank roll killer. Ive not stopped after 5 lossrs when i am only betting 1 or 2 numbers because its not killing me and it often wons like that....with only one or two chips on the table. If you arnt greedy and plan to win 25u per day this may be all you need.

[warrior]

This idea is interesting, i thouht of something different im going to try .

[TwoCatSam]

Turner

Let's use an exaggerample:

3 3 3 1 2 4 5 6 7 8 9

There you have 12 numbers.  You would be hoping for the #3 to hit again in five spins.  (Or some other number.)  I am unclear what you would do if number 10 hit.  Is it just discarded?

Sam

[probasah]

Dear Turner,

Hi,

Can you give me an example with numbers (and your thoughts) to see it in action,
I will then make a tracker for all to test.

Regards,
Alex

[Turner]

Turner

Let's use an exaggerample:

3 3 3 1 2 4 5 6 7 8 9

There you have 12 numbers.  You would be hoping for the #3 to hit again in five spins.  (Or some other number.)  I am unclear what you would do if number 10 hit.  Is it just discarded?

Sam

Sam..
Yes you are hoping 3 will hit as you are betting it from the off...but..you are hoping the others hit so you can add them to the 3. 10 isnt in the initial twelve numbers so u wont use it, so keep betting what HAS hit from your 12 jotted down.
Thing is, 10 may be in the next 12 you jot down and you may very well  be betting on it in the next session  because its just come out.

[Turner]

Dear Turner,

Hi,

Can you give me an example with numbers (and your thoughts) to see it in action,
I will then make a tracker for all to test.

Regards,
Alex

Will do alex in 5 or so hours. Cant do Jack on this android

[Turner]

Here is a short session, randomly picked from RX....... Hohensyburg Casino, Westspiel, to explain as asked by Alex

If nothing happens in 5 spins, i.e, no numbers added or no wins we Stop and grab a new 12. There are 2 examples of that in this run.

Session: hony20130221_0108.rmd



First 12 hits
5,7,16,21,23,11,2,9,11,13,10,12 (the 1st 12) write them down.
(betting 11 because it repeated in the 1st 12)
13 (bet 11 and adding 13 because its in the 1st 12)
34 (bet 11,13) (34 isnt in the 1st 12)
35 (bet 11,13) (35 isnt in the 1st 12)
8 (bet 11,13) (8 isnt in the 1st 12)
16 (bet 11,13) (16 isnt in the 1st 12)
12 (bet 11, 12, 13) (12 is in the 1st 12)
27 (bet 11, 12, 13) (27 isnt in the 1st 12)
20 (bet 11, 12, 13) (20 is in the 1st 12)
11 WIN +16U
Now collect the last 12 hits (I'm doing this of stats/numbers in RX set to last 12)
8,10,11,12,12,13,13,16,20,27,34,35 (the 2nd 12)
Bet 12,13 because they are repeaters from the 2nd 12)
2 (bet 12, 13) (2 isnt in the 2nd 12)
20 (bet 12, 13,20) (20 is in the 2nd 12)
31 (bet 12, 13,20) (31 isnt in the 2nd 12)
1  (bet 12, 13,20) (1 isnt the 2nd 12)
24 (bet 12, 13,20) (24 isnt in the 2nd 12)
29 (bet 12, 13,20) (29 isnt in the 2nd 12)
21 (bet 12, 13,20) (21 isnt in the 2nd 12)
20 WIN +30U
I can explain less now…you get it I'm sure.
1,2,11,12,20,20,20,21,24,27,29,31 (3rd 12)
Bet 20 because it’s a repeater in 3rd 12
16 (bet 20)
32 (bet 20)
14 (bet 20)
12 (bet 12,20)
0 (bet 12,20)
23 (bet 12,20)
17 (bet 12,20)
19 (bet 12,20)
20 WIN +57
12,14,16,17,19,20,20,21,23,29,32,0 (4th 12)
(Bet 20)
13 (Bet 20)
30 (Bet 20)
16 (Bet 16,20)
22 (Bet 16,20)
5 (Bet 16,20)
12 (Bet 12, 16,20)
19 (Bet 12,16,19,20)
20 (WIN) +77
5,12,13,16,17,19,19,20,20,22,23,30 (5th 12)
(bet 19 20)
14 (bet 19 20)
17 (bet 17,19 20)
12 (bet 12,17,19 20)
33 (bet 12,17,19 20)
36 (bet 12,17,19 20)
17 WIN + 94
5,12,12,14,16,17,17,19,20,22,33,36 (6th 12)
(Bet 12,17)
21 (Bet 12,17)
4 (Bet 12,17)
34 (Bet 12,17)
29 (Bet 12,17)
17 WIN +120u
4,12,14,17,17,17,20,21,29,33,34,36 (7th 12)
(Bet 17)
30
2
13
26
1
(STOP, 5 unproductive hits)
1,2,4,13,17,17,21,26,29,30,34,36,
(Bet 17)
0
21 (Bet 17,21)
32
33
15
27
27
(STOP, 5 unproductive hits)
1,2,13,15,21,26,27,27,30,32,33,0
Bet 27
3
34
7
2 (bet 2,27)
27 WIN +133u

[TwoCatSam]

Good test, Turner.

[Turner]

Good test, Turner.

thanks.
I tested the next downloaded permz in RX (attached)
The rests of "5 no input" seem to know when the wave is on the downslide....like roulette KEY pointed out.
Like a pressure valve LoL.....musnt get carried away.

[TwoCatSam]

.musnt get carried away.


Turner

If you do get carried away, I feel certain they will soon bring you back!



Samster

[Turner]

.musnt get carried away.


Turner

If you do get carried away, I feel certain they will soon bring you back!



Samster

Well every idea here greatly benefits from your interest and enthusiasm so I'm glad you are on board

[TwoCatSam]

Thankee, Bro.  I'm going to give this a real nickel test.

[probasah]

Hi Turner

And good evening all

Here is the tracker. Not sure what to say, made a 30k run (random numbers) and it loses only about 3k units.
1.Wait for first 12 numbers
2. Start betting the numbers

Turner, i think the tracker fits the method you described. Let me know if there is any error.
For me it looks a good bet.

Regards,
Alex