PROGRESSION HELP

[starkygold]

Hi,
I'm playing 12 numbers per spin. I was wondering if there is a good progression for 12L in a row?

Can anyone help?

[Drazen]

 

  12L in a row?
 

Why those 12 loses? 12 numbers can go to hibernation of 38 spins..


Cheers

[GLC]

Starkygold,
Drazen is correct.  In order for a total recovery on 1 win no matter how many losses lead up to the win, our units bet get to be way too large.  1 1 2 3 4 6 9 14 21 31 47 70  Here's the 1st 12 bets for a martingale progression for a single dozen.  If you lose all 12 bets, you lose 209 units and from here the bet sizes escalate rapidly.

So, in order to guard against that, we must design our progression so that we  can recover after multiple wins.  And even with that, we have to have a higher percentage of wins vs losses than the odds dictate or we'll just gradually slide into the hole and the end result will be the same as if we used a martingale type progression.

If you search the forum for the word "penthouse" you will find a progression that is like the D'Alembert for single dozens.  I think this is as good as there is.  If you can't win using a penthouse progression, your bet selection ain't good enough.  Of course, the veterans on the forum will advise you that there is no mechanical bet selection that is good enough to win with any mechanical progression.

Be advised that the penthouse can be stretched or shortened to increase or decrease aggressiveness.

Here's some progression examples:
Standard:  1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 7 7 etc...  One loss move 1 step to the right and on a win move 2 steps to the left.
Aggressive: 1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 8 etc...  Same movements as above, but as you can see, you climb at a 33% quicker pace on losses.
Safer:  1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4  5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 etc...

Super aggressive: 1 3 5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19 21 23 etc...  I used this line of 12 bets so you could see how it compares to a standard D'Alembert for single dozens.  From here the difference between the two lines really grows.

The problem with D'Alembert is that if you have a really bad losing streak, it can take quite a while to recover.  But your bets stay more controlled.

GLC

[TwoCatSam]

There is one good thing about the D'Alembert and that is what I call the "hiccup effect".   This is where you encounter a wLwLwL and so on.

When this happens, and it does often, you always win at a higher rate than you lost.  Lose 5; win 10 Lose 5; win 10 and so on.

You will find that many times you do not need to totally clear your betting line to be in the profit.  The "hiccups" will put you there.

Sam

[starkygold]

Thanks to everybody!

Well I'm not playing dozens i just play 12 numbers, not every spin but just when a situation happens.

Here are some stats after 23 000 dublinbet spins FLAT betting.


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[starkygold]

Forgot to say something.
The graph is made using unit 1. So bet 1 unit lose 2.

So to make it for 12 numbers just multiply the BR by 12.

[starkygold]

Sorry I was thinking to a different approach of this type of betting.
Here is the regular graph using 1unit per number and betting on 24 numbers.
So I'm betting on 24 numbers not every spin. I forgot to edit WINS and LOSSES but are the same as the image before...


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[GLC]

Looks like a flat bet is all you need.

[Drazen]

Well GLC someone could say he could do good even flat bet when sees this

But nothing can make it positive in the end actualy because you have negative mathematical portent for this game and all has to be evened in the end no matter how many losses you would maybe aimed to skip for example.

But on our luck that doesn't have to be so in order for possibility of some longterm making money. It would be enough to reduce fluctuations to some extent for which you are sure you won't go beyond, and you couldnt be hurt with using progressions and money management at some point...

Starky standard progression for 2 dozzens is +2 on a loss -1 on a win...

But GLC is minister of progressions of all kind. Just check his posts and you must find something there you could use with this..

Best

Drazen

[albertojonas]

Looks promising. Can you disclose more details of you bet selection?
Nice excel graph =)
Cheers

[Blood Angel]

Maybe Lanky's 6 point divisor would help?

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=11.0

[starkygold]

I will tell you the system, this is not a problem but not right now. I want to be sure that is profitable. Don't want others laugh to me when I explain the rules  .

@Drazen I will repeat again, I don't play dozens! " Ne igram trecine" 

I'm playing Wheel dozens not the normal one and I'm playing 2 dozens so it's 24 numbers.

I think that bet selection is good but the problem is that I'm betting on too many numbers.

[Drazen]

@Drazen I will repeat again, I don't play dozens! " Ne igram trecine" 

I'm playing Wheel dozens not the normal one and I'm playing 2 dozens so it's 24 numbers.

O da, igraš trećine.. ( Oh yes, you play dozens)

Any 24 numbers on roulette is counted as 2/3 of all numbers, you wouldnt belive  No matter how you bet them... LoL

Good luck with this

Drazen

[starkygold]

Ok.
But I can't use normal progression for dozen because I'm betting on numbers.

[Drazen]

Of course you can

Why couldnt you? Tell me what is the difference between laying bet on  table dozens and or the same time betting same numbers straight for example? It is all matter of odds..

If minimal betting values are the same, you ll just need more chips. You see?